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Post by atarnaris on Jan 10, 2005 22:22:38 GMT
Bro Russell,
I am very impressed by your posts so far (on this and the other list), and you seem to understand and live Masonry the way it was designed.
As I have said before I am at the mere beginning of a journey to understand the non-physical. My only personal experience of that is a japanese method of hands on healing called Reiki. I am convinced and proved to myself that there is more than meets the eye around us.
However I want to move on, and knowing that your experiences are authentic I am kindly asking how do you perform the inner work? How have you started? What were the first steps you took? Can you direct me to a link, a book, a practical method?
Thanking in advance... S&F
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Post by hollandr on Jan 11, 2005 0:57:35 GMT
Andrew
I am not entirely sure I like a thread directed to me, but lets see where we get to.
While you really ask how can you personally more forward, I am a bit inclined to answer more generally. This is partly because I prefer a system view of processes and partly so that the thread is more generally useful.
So the first point of call is the background of the "candidate" for inner work.
The background includes:
- kingdom of origin - many in human bodies are not from the several swarms of human souls - karmic and possessive influences - patrons (inner beings with an interest in you - shareholders)
The first of these largely establishes a preference or line of least resistance for work.
The second if significantly present will require dealing with early.
The third will press on you to alter events and energise you when you move in useful directions and produce an existential pain in you when you do not.
Andrew in your case these 3 areas will look after themselves for now.
The next thing to consider is controlling level of consciousness. This is based on:
- daily experience of going more deeply into the inner planes - consciously directed activity in specific planes.
The first of these is best progressed by twice daily meditation. I started with Transcendental Meditation (I can't really say that I have ever stopped). The key is having a method of transcending the vehicle of the meditation. TM uses one of 120 methods of transcending meditation.
The second requires rising on the planes (ascending Jacobs ladder). This can be taught by qabalists (not widely practiced these days). I was taught by a sponsor during meditation but my method was based on numbers rather than sephira. (Actually the word cipher comes from sephira - sephira are actually numbers but the qabalists teach rising on the planes by intent and images.)
Intent is fundamental to all spiritual growth. Do you intend to qualify for the inner work? Intent requires no effort of the personality. Rest your intent upon achieving the capacity for inner work.
So I suggest you start with an effective form of meditation and practice twice daily.
As for Reiki, it is a valid approach to healing. But as you may be aware, all real initates of all degrees can heal. It is often the first new ability to strike the first degree initiate. But few have healing as their primary line of work.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by atarnaris on Jan 11, 2005 13:41:25 GMT
So the first point of call is the background of the "candidate" for inner work. The background includes: - kingdom of origin - many in human bodies are not from the several swarms of human souls - karmic and possessive influences - patrons (inner beings with an interest in you - shareholders) The first of these largely establishes a preference or line of least resistance for work. The second if significantly present will require dealing with early. The third will press on you to alter events and energise you when you move in useful directions and produce an existential pain in you when you do not. Andrew in your case these 3 areas will look after themselves for now. Bro Russell, First of all let me thank you for answering publicly. I beleive that human evolution may only happen if we recognise the work that has already occured and build upon it, as Masons that we are. It is my firm belief that the human species has remained more or less static because each generation is starting anew the building, and that remains unfinished by the time the builder passes away. Next generation builds again on its own new foundations, etc... Now first things first: I more or less understnad what you mean by these 3 areas. However you mention that they will take care of themesleves in my case. What exactly do you mean by that?
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Post by hollandr on Jan 11, 2005 23:54:10 GMT
Andrew
I was intending to be a bit discreet when saying those 3 factors could look after themselves for a while.
But since you press:
- You appear a first inspection to be a genuine human being - belonging to the first of the 2 main swarms of human souls
- personal karma is smallish and group karma not very pressing, aura generally strong against possessive influences (small gap just to your left of top of head)
- one sponsor in my sight - Sirian.
As you can see these are not really matters for a public forum.
And no, I do not intend to do readings.
I might also say that people on the path are often not what they appear at first spiritual sight. There are layers on layers.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by whistler on Jan 12, 2005 6:04:20 GMT
Russell, I suspect we play in similar play grounds and I certainly do agree this is not the place to do Readings The Good thing about this Forum is the freedom of speech, and the awareness that when we post we invite comments both positive and negative. Hgw
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Post by a on Jan 12, 2005 7:24:49 GMT
Andrew
Please forgive me for a invading your thread with a quick post.
Russell, Whistler.
Thank you both, your posts here have helped me understand one thing that was niggling me, conceptually.
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Post by atarnaris on Jan 12, 2005 8:55:50 GMT
And no, I do not intend to do readings. I might also say that people on the path are often not what they appear at first spiritual sight. There are layers on layers. Cheers Russell Bro Russell, No, no readings, I understand. And let's keep it general, not in a personal context.
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Post by atarnaris on Jan 12, 2005 18:13:43 GMT
Bro Russell,
So you propose to start a daily process of meditation. Which ones would you propose? And to keep it in context of this forum in what degree/order does Freemasonry advises one about daily meditation, and what is the sort of meditation it advises?
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Post by hollandr on Jan 13, 2005 1:20:57 GMT
Andrew
I recommend twice daily meditation - about 20 min as close as convenient to dawn and dusk (energy reversals at the time mirror what the meditation is supposed to achieve).
The meditation needs to be transcending meditation - the vehicle for the meditation (sound, light, image, numbers, religious event) needs to fall away periodically so the meditator is in the silence.
The experience of the silence changes the meditator and progressively increases capacity to operate in the inner planes.
A typical effect of transcending is a rapid passage of time during meditation.
I found Transcendental Meditation (TM) effective but as long as you are satisfied that you have a technique that allows you to transcend repeatedly (even if not recording the event in brain consciousness) then that is sufficient at this stage.
In Co-M (as far as I recall) meditation is encouraged for the EA - I expect in one of the mystic charges. Certainly it should be well underway before the FC can investigate the mysteries of nature. How else would one investigate mysteries?
Go for it
Cheers
Russell
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Jan 13, 2005 7:42:44 GMT
Yes Russell, it's part of the 24" guage, to be spent - part in study(work), part in rest, and part in meditation/contemplation.
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Post by Lewis on Jan 13, 2005 8:34:23 GMT
Whistler,for us
Part in Prayer
Part in labour and refrehment
Part in time serving a friend or brother in need......
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Post by whistler on Jan 13, 2005 9:21:05 GMT
Whistler,for us Part in Prayer Part in labour and refrehment Part in time serving a friend or brother in need...... Yep It is called Balance ;D
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Post by Yoki on Jan 15, 2005 2:46:02 GMT
I also have a question for Russel although along different lines to the one that is currently under discussion. This one is regrading the colour of energy in and around a Co Masonic lodge. I have seen the reference you made Russell to wavy Sirius energy coming from such a lodge and I think I read in an other posts of yours that such energy is blue (although my recollection maybe faulty) On various occasions I see purple lines and flashes of different shades within our lodge, so if our lodge which is Co Masonic and an old one to boot is under the influence of blue Sirius energy what is it I see?
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Post by hollandr on Jan 15, 2005 22:55:52 GMT
Hello Yoki
You don't give me too much to tune into - not even a photo.
But it sounds as if you are not yet seeing structures in the light. This probably means that your inner sight organs are not well developed - not enough practice and not enough subplane substance accumulated.
I am also told that seeing purple is a common event with the early opening of the ajna (third eye).
Generally we start by seeing light and progressively distinguish colours. Later we see structures and later are able to focus on structures sufficiently to assess change and movement.
The flashes may mean that you are not focussing for more than short periods on particular energies.
So I suspect that practising an effective meditation will assist your inner sight - particularly a light-based meditation.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by Yoki on Jan 16, 2005 4:17:33 GMT
Thankyou for the information and yes I think you are on to something there. I did wonder why purple was showing up so often around people in that it is such a spiritual hue, although at times other colours show.
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Post by hollandr on Feb 4, 2005 23:56:42 GMT
Folks Rather than start a new thread I add this here. For those interested in pursuing the esoteric let me point out isbn.nu/aisbn/starre%20violet I have known the author for 25 years. Her material is a valid though less technical update of the Alice Bailey material (written from 1920 until 1947). The ultimate author is again DK and I have demonstrated that to my satisfaction on a number of occasions. Stewart, I expect you would find it useful. You can always request the local library to purchase. Cheers Russell
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Post by a on Feb 5, 2005 9:07:11 GMT
Russell
Thank you.
I will add both of those books to my reading list, though as you will no doubt appreciate it will take me a little time to read, reflect and properly take them in.
Since reading Initiation Solar and Human, which I have found to be very useful in helping me understand some issues, I have also read the following:-
The Seven Rays of Life, which I will confess to finding extremely hard going in places, and I will have to go back to reread it much more carefully, and the Reappearance of the Christ, which was easier going and quite interesting. I expect that I will work my way through most/all of them in time. I find them all very thought provoking.
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Post by hollandr on Feb 5, 2005 21:47:08 GMT
Stewart As you have discovered some of the Alice Bailey material is quite difficult. For example, the Treatise on Cosmic Fire, written about 1925 was said in a later book to have been written for 3rd degree initiates (control of mental plane) for the turn of the 20th century - 75 years later. Recently DK has said that he was concerned that students used his books for academic study and debate and did not do enough practical work. So his new material is simpler and more practice-oriented. Here is another channel with whom he does a lot of personal growth and health work www.djwhalkhul.com/All_Transcripts.html. This again is genuine. Some of the health material (not sure how much is still up on the site) is excellent - dealing with modern problems. Cheers Russell
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Post by a on Feb 5, 2005 22:02:08 GMT
Russell
Thank you.
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