I Stole this from another forum which would not appreciate it" "o...I find this book to be most interesting. It delves very deeply into the alleged esoteric aspects of Freemasonry. However, it does this using very plain and direct language which is refreshing to read.
The book was written in about 1926 so it is fairly old in modern day terms. What is of interest to me is whether or not this Leadbeater fellow is considered to be knowledgable on this material? Obviously he seems to think he is.
I am quite enjoying this book and am finding it very refreshing to read after encountering nothing of substance about the actual origin and purpose of Freemason ritual in other forms.
I can clearly see why this kind of material would not be spoken of in public circles and I can easily imagine that the vast majority of all Freemasons would find such esoteric intepretations to be almsost defamatory in nature."
C W Leadbeater has an important place in the history of Co-Masonry and has written other books on Freemasonry. Has anybody else read and or have comments on this worthy Bro, I
Leadbeater did some useful things - perhaps the best being the cooperation with Besant to tweak the rituals for Co-M.
But he had a dark side too.
As you will be aware he split Theosophical Society into supporters and those who thought his clairvoyance was crude astralism.
And you will also know that he was tried by the TS in London on charges amounting to pederasty. The committee cleared him but it later emerged that the chair was a member of OTO. (Same organisation that Crowley claimed to lead. Not sure of the exact chronology)
Leadbeater apparently had years of correspondence instruction from OTO. He is reputed to have lived in the Blue Mountains some 200 yards from the man who headed the OTO in Australia.
So I suggest we separate the wheat from the chaff.
My question is more to do with the initials 'OTO' mentioned by Russell when commenting about Leadbeater. I'm racking my brains and have ransacked some old notes but I can't recall what they stand for. Can anyone (Russell?) help me with what OTO stands for? Also, I thought Crowley had more to do with the Golden Dawn than OTO. . .and even the lightest of folks have their dark sides somewhere. I'm not saying the darkside should be indulged, only that the world might be a better place if everyone saw and worked on the darkness in themselves, rather than trying to extract it from those we label 'enemies'. Just another thought. love and fraternity, Mercurius
"OTO was originally affiliated with European Masonry but is no longer a Masonic organization, though it shares some terminology and traditions with Masonry."
The matter of Crowley is bit unclear to me - he was clearly involved, but I think it developed beyond him, and some even consider him to be almost a usurper, or that his high ranking was without proper mandate.
"Aleister Crowley served as the Outer Head of the Order from 1922 until his death in December of 1947." More.
It must be apparent to all who study spiritual topics that those who are more "evolved" so to speak, have greater trials and tribulations to conquer.
Real spiritual people do not bother with what "level" they or others are on, they mearly get on with it.
BUT as we are all human, lapses can occur, the trick is to learn from these transgressions and move on. Each individual has free will, and should use that to sort out the GOOD in everyone so that they may benefit from that aspect, whilst avioding that which is not so worthy. This leads to DISCRIMINATION in all things.
Crowley was "Outer Head of Order " (OHO) of the OTO after Reuss' death. But he also was initiated, passed and raisend in 1904 in a former lodge of the Grande Loge de France which now belongs to the "regular" Grande Loge Nationale de France.
There was some recent (I hesitate to say research) publicity on Channel 4 I think it was about the OTO being in effect a contact group for gay men. The Tantric element which Reuss accused Crowley of nicking from OTO rituals only seems to make sense in this connection.
Crowley also wrote a naughty limerick dedicated to Leadbeater, which if memory serves also alludes to playing the pink oboe, as it were.
Nam Sibyllam quidem Cumis ego ipse oculis meis vidi in ampulla pendere, et cum illi pueri dicerent: Sibylla ti theleis; respondebat illa: apothanein thelo.
I read a biography of Crowley a few years ago where his indulgence in what he called "Number 9 Magic" is graphically described. Now I will ask Ruff to correct my Latin if it is wrong but Crowley used to recite a little ditty while doing so "Jungitur in vate, vates" and refered to intercourse "per vas nefandum" with his male acoltye, so I think we can assume some form of Homosexual activity. I understand that Crowley was bi-sexual? any truth in that?
The Ancient: sbs59: Were you suspended for non payment of dues? if so, square up and petition the lodge for a restatement vote. If your dues are current, your still a member. In this case, it is all about the Benjamins.
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