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Post by whistler on Jan 26, 2005 7:57:34 GMT
When did this symbol enter the world or egyptain cartouche Is the rope a cable tow - how does symbol tiy the s& C in with the cable tow
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 26, 2005 8:56:51 GMT
Is the symbol at the top L/H Corner an "8" or is it the symbol for Infinity turned 90 Degrees?
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Post by middlepillar on Jan 26, 2005 9:23:37 GMT
Whistler. In our old Lodge room in France, there was a rope (3 threaded) all around the outside of the room starting from one pillar ending in the other. When we did the Masonic Chain ritual, the Oldest of our then members said there was a really interesting piece of ritual about the Rope, he said he would dig it out, unfortunatley he died, we moved and it was lost The picture brought it all back, sorry I cant add to the above, the only thing I have always associated it with is the circle. And we know the symbolism of that.
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 26, 2005 9:34:37 GMT
Now that the word PTAH is on it is of interest as was not one of the punishments inflicted on a soul to be tied to the Wheel of Ptah and thus unable to move to the Higher Astral Plains?
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Post by hollandr on Jan 26, 2005 10:29:06 GMT
I assume this image is a card from a divination deck.
A quick search on the internet produces no cartouche for Ptah. I thought that cartouches were for the names of kings.
So it may be that the producers of the cards thought that Ptah (pitar in Sanskrit and pater in Latin) was the great architect and associated the square and compasses.
On one level that may be correct.
But if you want the earliest image of the sq & compasses I suspect it is an egyptian depiction of 2 junior gods using compasses and string to measure the ball of the earth. (Long before the flat earth theory).
Can't recall where I saw it but it likely gives rise to Blake's Ancient of Days who leans down to measure the earth with compasses.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by ruffashlar on Jan 26, 2005 17:11:43 GMT
Does my bum look Phat in this Cartouche?
Spellcheck, please. Or just learn to spell like the rest of us.
The hieroglyphs in the top righthand corner read ren, "name", with the determinative of a man with his hand to his mouth
The cartouche is our name for another kind of determinative, that enclosing the name of a Pharaonic ruler. In early inscriptions a circular double loop of rope, the length of royal names usually made it elongated to a round-ended oblong. Called snw in Egyptian, from sni, "to encircle", the idea was to represent the Pharaoh as ruler of everything which the sun, in its celestial and subterranean courses, likewise encircled.
The rope is thus a symbol of honour and ownership, not the instrument of execution it is in European history. Some have suggested that the costume of a Masonic Candidate is a satirical or defiant imitation of the garb worn by condemned heretics. Certainly, we are intended to infer the idea of poverty, not the personal divine royalty of the Egyptian kings.
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Post by whistler on Jan 26, 2005 18:25:21 GMT
I assume this image is a card from a divination deck. Russell Hi Russell, Yes this picture is from a deck, But I also have sets of Egyptian Runes (Carthouche) with the symbols
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Post by a on Jan 28, 2005 7:54:37 GMT
PTAH Oh I do love this. One source says that:- Ptah a master architect whose priests were leaders of Craftsmen. Must check the Book of the Dead later. There was this God of Craftsmen, who guided his flock well, whose wisdom has been retained through history, but where is it today? [thats the best riddle you will get from me at this time of morning] Added: Wouldn't it be nice if this circle of life were to complete, and the wisdom of Ancient Egyptian days were to reflourish on this planet, here and now? I wonder what the priesthood are up to nowadays? (must have decendants somewhere
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Post by whistler on Jan 28, 2005 22:07:44 GMT
Stewart you have got me working on Phat
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