Post by Level on Jan 30, 2005 20:51:16 GMT
A thread Clean Up
From Ruff Ashlar
Re: Thegnostic - Fulcanelli
« Reply #6 on: 01/27/2005 at 11:00:22 »<br>
Among other books printed either with the tolerance, or at the specific behest, of the Nazi Occupation in Paris was Albert Camus' L'Etranger(The Outsider). This is a classic of Existentialist and Nihilist literature, completely at odds with everything the Nazis seemed to think they stood for. Why did they allow it to be printed? Because there's a pivotal scene in which the antihero Meursault shoots an Arab dead. Nazi race bigotry thought it was so laudable to shoot Arabs (and any other Semitic people) that they were completely blinded to the fact that in the book Meursault is condemned to death not for the Arab's murder, but for not crying at his mother's funeral.
As if in confirmation of the same principle, the incident is the basis of the song Killing an Arab by Indie Goth band The Cure, which upon its release was hailed as a White supremacist polemic by the British neo-fascist National Front party. How refreshing to think that, though times change, still Nazis keep on getting stupider and stupider.
whistler
Re: Thegnostic - Fulcanelli
« Reply #6 on: 01/28/2005 at 01:43:56 » <br>I would like to find a better reason then the Nazi's were stupid.. IMO yes they were evil they were also cunning, I think their end game expectations were certainly stupid.
In many other things they were very clever especially the way they hid things form the general public, and the way the manipulated so many people.
There would have been considered reasoning, to allow that book to be published in Paris in 1943...
Does anybody else have an idea
« Last Edit: 01/28/2005 at 01:45:56 by whistler »<br>
ruffashlar
Re: Thegnostic - Fulcanelli
« Reply #6 on: 01/29/2005 at 10:55:53 » <br>Well - even though I still think it illustrates the same point about them being stupid - consider this possibility: the Nazis publish a book about Cabalistic and architectural correlations because they think the Cabala is really ancient Aryan (or Atlantaean) lore which has been misappropriated by the International Jewish Conspiracy. That is the way Nazis tend to think, is it not?
Taylorsman
Re: Thegnostic - Fulcanelli
« Reply #6 on: 01/29/2005 at 12:16:57 » <br>The Nazis are very much in the news of course at this time, but although they were Evil by the normal canons of society and owing to the interference of Hiter in military matters they made some crucial mistakes which got us off the hook on quite a few occasions, I would not call them "Stupid", anything but as 6 years of war and millions of deaths were to show.
Hitler did show how easy it is to manipulate the minds of a people and a very technoligically advanced people at that by the Ppower of the Will and by giving them, at least at the beginning, what they wanted to hear.
A leason I feel for our present vapid, self satisfied , smug and out of touch politicians here in the UK, be they led by Blair, Howard or Kennedy
whistler
Re: Thegnostic - Fulcanelli
« Reply #6 on: 01/29/2005 at 17:56:13 » <br>on 01/29/2005 at 10:55:53, ruffashlar wrote:
Well - even though I still think it illustrates the same point about them being stupid - consider this possibility: the Nazis publish a book about Cabalistic and architectural correlations because they think the Cabala is really ancient Aryan (or Atlantaean) lore which has been misappropriated by the International Jewish Conspiracy. That is the way Nazis tend to think, is it not?
You may think it stupid I might not. I would like to explore their reasoning and research, I don't know where that would lead, or what conclusions might be reached
ruffashlar
Re: Thegnostic - Fulcanelli
« Reply #7 on: Today at 15:32:54 » <br>"You may think it stupid I might not. I would like to explore their reasoning and research, I don't know where that would lead, or what conclusions might be reached"
Whistler,
Jewish mysticism is Jewish in origin. Have no doubts upon that score. The wisest things the real ancient Aryans produced were the Buddha and, a thousand years latter, Bodhidharma, "the blue-eyed devil" as the Chinese called him. They didn't put a man on Mars, for as Bob Hope quips in The Man in the High Castle (Philip K. Dildo*), they'd only claim the little green men were Jewish.
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« Last Edit: Today at 15:36:06 by ruffashlar »<br>ruffashlar
Re: Thegnostic - Fulcanelli
« Reply #7 on: Today at 15:33:14 » <br>Taylorsman,
Stupid is exactly what the Nazis were. There were plenty of intelligent people in Germany, but half of them either emigrated or got sent to the death camps. If the intelligent, sane people had been in control, the SA would have massacred the SS: the Nazi State would then have been in the power of cool-headed professional soldiers; people who had done their military homework and who wouldn't have invaded Russia in winter.
No, the stupid guys won out. And for all the evil they perpetrated, we must really thank God those idiots did, otherwise the other Nazis might actually have succeeded.
From Ruff Ashlar
Re: Thegnostic - Fulcanelli
« Reply #6 on: 01/27/2005 at 11:00:22 »<br>
Among other books printed either with the tolerance, or at the specific behest, of the Nazi Occupation in Paris was Albert Camus' L'Etranger(The Outsider). This is a classic of Existentialist and Nihilist literature, completely at odds with everything the Nazis seemed to think they stood for. Why did they allow it to be printed? Because there's a pivotal scene in which the antihero Meursault shoots an Arab dead. Nazi race bigotry thought it was so laudable to shoot Arabs (and any other Semitic people) that they were completely blinded to the fact that in the book Meursault is condemned to death not for the Arab's murder, but for not crying at his mother's funeral.
As if in confirmation of the same principle, the incident is the basis of the song Killing an Arab by Indie Goth band The Cure, which upon its release was hailed as a White supremacist polemic by the British neo-fascist National Front party. How refreshing to think that, though times change, still Nazis keep on getting stupider and stupider.
whistler
Re: Thegnostic - Fulcanelli
« Reply #6 on: 01/28/2005 at 01:43:56 » <br>I would like to find a better reason then the Nazi's were stupid.. IMO yes they were evil they were also cunning, I think their end game expectations were certainly stupid.
In many other things they were very clever especially the way they hid things form the general public, and the way the manipulated so many people.
There would have been considered reasoning, to allow that book to be published in Paris in 1943...
Does anybody else have an idea
« Last Edit: 01/28/2005 at 01:45:56 by whistler »<br>
ruffashlar
Re: Thegnostic - Fulcanelli
« Reply #6 on: 01/29/2005 at 10:55:53 » <br>Well - even though I still think it illustrates the same point about them being stupid - consider this possibility: the Nazis publish a book about Cabalistic and architectural correlations because they think the Cabala is really ancient Aryan (or Atlantaean) lore which has been misappropriated by the International Jewish Conspiracy. That is the way Nazis tend to think, is it not?
Taylorsman
Re: Thegnostic - Fulcanelli
« Reply #6 on: 01/29/2005 at 12:16:57 » <br>The Nazis are very much in the news of course at this time, but although they were Evil by the normal canons of society and owing to the interference of Hiter in military matters they made some crucial mistakes which got us off the hook on quite a few occasions, I would not call them "Stupid", anything but as 6 years of war and millions of deaths were to show.
Hitler did show how easy it is to manipulate the minds of a people and a very technoligically advanced people at that by the Ppower of the Will and by giving them, at least at the beginning, what they wanted to hear.
A leason I feel for our present vapid, self satisfied , smug and out of touch politicians here in the UK, be they led by Blair, Howard or Kennedy
whistler
Re: Thegnostic - Fulcanelli
« Reply #6 on: 01/29/2005 at 17:56:13 » <br>on 01/29/2005 at 10:55:53, ruffashlar wrote:
Well - even though I still think it illustrates the same point about them being stupid - consider this possibility: the Nazis publish a book about Cabalistic and architectural correlations because they think the Cabala is really ancient Aryan (or Atlantaean) lore which has been misappropriated by the International Jewish Conspiracy. That is the way Nazis tend to think, is it not?
You may think it stupid I might not. I would like to explore their reasoning and research, I don't know where that would lead, or what conclusions might be reached
ruffashlar
Re: Thegnostic - Fulcanelli
« Reply #7 on: Today at 15:32:54 » <br>"You may think it stupid I might not. I would like to explore their reasoning and research, I don't know where that would lead, or what conclusions might be reached"
Whistler,
Jewish mysticism is Jewish in origin. Have no doubts upon that score. The wisest things the real ancient Aryans produced were the Buddha and, a thousand years latter, Bodhidharma, "the blue-eyed devil" as the Chinese called him. They didn't put a man on Mars, for as Bob Hope quips in The Man in the High Castle (Philip K. Dildo*), they'd only claim the little green men were Jewish.
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« Last Edit: Today at 15:36:06 by ruffashlar »<br>ruffashlar
Re: Thegnostic - Fulcanelli
« Reply #7 on: Today at 15:33:14 » <br>Taylorsman,
Stupid is exactly what the Nazis were. There were plenty of intelligent people in Germany, but half of them either emigrated or got sent to the death camps. If the intelligent, sane people had been in control, the SA would have massacred the SS: the Nazi State would then have been in the power of cool-headed professional soldiers; people who had done their military homework and who wouldn't have invaded Russia in winter.
No, the stupid guys won out. And for all the evil they perpetrated, we must really thank God those idiots did, otherwise the other Nazis might actually have succeeded.