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Post by whistler on Feb 21, 2005 8:43:46 GMT
This is an interesting quote from an old Masonic Book : "From the Old testament, containing the Atlantean Mystery Teachings, we learn that mankind was created male-female , bi-sexual and that each one was capable of propagating his species without the co-operation of another"
Has anybody else read an Atlantean connection with the Old testament
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Post by taylorsman on Feb 21, 2005 9:02:07 GMT
I haven't read this but it is a biological fact that the foetus is for some time female and has the precurors of both sets of reproductive organs. If the significant chromosome is XX it will develop as a female, if XY as a male. Sometimes this doesn't work as usual and a hermaphrodite is born. I'm sure a Doctor such as Atarnaris could clarify and correct this if I am wrong.
Again many now hold that we all have male and female aspects to our personality and even a biological and straight male has female psychological attributes and vice versa for a similar female.
Certainly if God had made us all Hermaphrodite and Parthenogenic it would have solved a lot of problems!
So in this the "lore" would seem to be bourne out by the science.
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Post by ruffashlar on Feb 22, 2005 2:49:21 GMT
While true Hermaphroditism remains rare outside of the illustrations of Alchemical treatises ;D, the incidence of Intersex is in fact much higher than generally thought. Surface genital congruence with either sex is usually the deciding factor in reckoning which sex the person will be brought up as, but this is by no means fixed, since cultural considerations and the individual's lifelong struggle for self-identity usually pull in opposite directions.
Where this idea comes from, however, is not literally the Old Testament (i.e., of the Bible), which holds that Man came first, and Woman was made out of him; but, I can only suspect, either of the two Platonic texts called the Critias and the Republic. These are the first and only Ancient sources for the Atlantis story under that name.
Plato himself claims to have got the story off an Egyptian priest, presumably one he met in the pub and who, at the wrong end of enough pints of ouzo, could probably talk the hind legs off a donkey. Or maybe this is Athenian slang for I heard it from a friend of a friend, which is to say, he maybe heard it from someone or other, like in an urban myth, or equally he may have made it up. The latter seems likely, since he then advances his theory of the "soulmate", the missing other half we are all in search for to complete us and end our loneliness. However, in Plato's time women were not considered the equals of men, who would have sought such a soulmate among their own sex. This puts the date of the story back to either an earlier period in Greek society, or to an entirely different country.
Considering that the Mediterranean Sea is North of Egypt, so the sea always lies on the Northern extreme of their worldview. An Egyptian story about a doomed civilisation overcome by fire and flood is therefore more likely to be an elaborated folktale about the Minoan civilisation of Crete.
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Post by whistler on Feb 22, 2005 18:14:01 GMT
My question Has anybody else heard an Altantean Connection with the Old Testament
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Post by munkholt on Feb 22, 2005 20:29:36 GMT
No. Genesis:
1.27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them
2.23: And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. 2.24: Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Now, reading the above bits, I'm certain both myths could be read to say that "mankind was created male-female, bi-sexual and that each one was capable of propagating his species without the co-operation of another", and this is proposedly the contained "Atlantean Mystery Teachings".
But the only connection I've seen made was in Alan Moore's From Hell, where he mentions Dionysian Architects originating from Atlantis, and later helping build the temple of Solomon. But that's fiction, and doesn't really help much.
I guess that's still a no, then, sorry.
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Post by leonardo on Feb 22, 2005 20:48:35 GMT
There was a documentry on telly a few years back (Horizon?) which "disproved" the whole concept of Atlanta. As this is not a subject I have an interest in I did not take too much notice.
Mind you, David Icke did speak in glowing terms about 10 foot bronze skinned, Atlantian "god" men in one of his books: Robots Rebellion.
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Post by middlepillar on Feb 22, 2005 21:25:55 GMT
Whistler To answer your question in the simplest of ways.... No, Sorry
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Post by ruffashlar on Feb 23, 2005 0:14:01 GMT
As a final volley, the use of bi-sexual to mean hermaphrodite or androgyne is obsolete. It now means attracted to both genders, and usually has no hyphen. This obsolete usage either indicates an author exposed to scientific rather than socio-sexological literature, where the obsolete definition sometimes persists; or places the text at least in the earlier half of the 20th Century - in other words, during the Babylonish Captivity of Masonic scholarship.
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Post by taylorsman on Feb 23, 2005 8:14:23 GMT
I'll stick with my own definitions, thank you! and prefer the objective scientific than those of subjective literature loaded with its own agenda.
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Post by bod on Feb 23, 2005 8:43:00 GMT
It's not just 'subjective literature loaded with its own agenda' - that denies the whole evolution of language.
Yes there are always ossified dinosaurs who refuse to accept change, but eventually they die out and the meanings metamorphise and the world moves on.
In reply to whistler - no, not ever, even when drunk.
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