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Post by paulh on Oct 12, 2008 3:50:51 GMT
I discovered irrefutable PROOF that the "93 current" was active in my life I don't understand what is the 93 current. Are you able to enlighten me?
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Post by maximus on Oct 12, 2008 4:05:03 GMT
I discovered irrefutable PROOF that the "93 current" was active in my life I don't understand what is the 93 current. Are you able to enlighten me? 93=AGAPE=THELEMA More info here.
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Post by Tamrin on Oct 12, 2008 7:00:59 GMT
The source is the "Confessions" itself. Thus we have Crowley's tendentious assertion!? Anything else, or does it all turn on his disreputable word?
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Post by synchronicity on Oct 12, 2008 10:03:38 GMT
Returning to Manly P. Hall (who is the subject of this thread) he did, of course, produce a great many books, articles and lectures which were absolutely impressive. However, if you want to have a chuckle, you can read his paper entitled The Case of the Flying Saucers, which has gone down in history as something of an embarrassment. ;D (I guess this proves he was human after all!) You will find it here, together with more worthwhile material, including audio and video: www.manlyphall.org
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Post by synchronicity on Oct 12, 2008 22:32:02 GMT
Thank you for that link. However, on that opening page there is an obvious mistake - it says MPH was never physically initiated. That is not correct. He was a regular Freemason, raised November 22, 1954 in Jewel Lodge No. 374, in San Francisco (GL of California). This the problem with reading a lot of stuff is that it contains mistakes that then get repeated by others who know no different or do not check out the facts for themselves. This likewise applies about Crowley (who was never a regular Mason) and was a great self publicist - some people read his stuff and believe it. Research is everything in these matters. Otherwise it can become an embarrassment to the poster of a message when the evidence proves different to the myths they believe. I quite agree with you on both counts. I only posted the link so people could get the flying saucers paper and the other bits.
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Post by vajranagini on Oct 13, 2008 1:22:18 GMT
This likewise applies about Crowley (who was never a regular Mason) and was a great self publicist - some people read his stuff and believe it. Research is everything in these matters. Otherwise it can become an embarrassment to the poster of a message when the evidence proves different to the myths they believe. Based on the available evidence, I am certainly satisfied that Crowley was in fact a Freemason. Nobody who was not a Freemason could have spoken so knowledgeably about the Rites otherwise. It is quite evident to me that Masons deny his status more out of a desire to NOT acknowledge that such an undesirable as Crowley was affiliated with the institution of Freemasonry, than because he was initiated in an "irregular Lodge" yadda yadda. I'm sure the "irregular' business would matter not a whit had he been a CREDIT to Freemasonry! And, back on topic, what's this about MPH having been murdered? How is it they aren't sure what happened to him?
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Post by imakegarb on Oct 13, 2008 4:03:02 GMT
I'm afraid much of my opinion about Crowley was colored by a cravenly letter he wrote to UGLE. I read this letter a couple of years back. Unfortunately, I can't find the letter online just now (if anyone can point to it, I'd appreciate it).
In that letter, Crowley begged the UGLE to recognize him and then warned them about Annie Besant and other Co-Masons. He said she'd bought the ritual the Co-Masons then were using and accused her of setting up a cult to Alcyone.
Lies and slanders. Clearly, Crowley was willing to slander Besant to convince UGLE he wasn't part of *that* crowd and to get his all-cherished nod from UGLE. Not cool.
I'd not read much of his work before I read that letter and I've read not another word of his since I read this letter. If this is the kind of man he was, then he's not worth my time.
I appreciate it that others here revere him. That's cool. I don't.
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Post by synchronicity on Oct 13, 2008 9:51:20 GMT
And, back on topic, what's this about MPH having been murdered? How is it they aren't sure what happened to him? You can read about it in the introduction from the book, which the publishers make available on-line as a preview: processmediainc.com/titles/images/mom_introduction.pdfI don't know if it's actually true, but it would make sense. The only question is, if LA PD suspected foul play, how come nobody was charged?
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Post by vajranagini on Oct 14, 2008 0:20:07 GMT
I'm afraid much of my opinion about Crowley was colored by a cravenly letter he wrote to UGLE. I read this letter a couple of years back. Unfortunately, I can't find the letter online just now (if anyone can point to it, I'd appreciate it). In that letter, Crowley begged the UGLE to recognize him and then warned them about Annie Besant and other Co-Masons. He said she'd bought the ritual the Co-Masons then were using and accused her of setting up a cult to Alcyone. Lies and slanders. Clearly, Crowley was willing to slander Besant to convince UGLE he wasn't part of *that* crowd and to get his all-cherished nod from UGLE. Not cool. I'd not read much of his work before I read that letter and I've read not another word of his since I read this letter. If this is the kind of man he was, then he's not worth my time. I appreciate it that others here revere him. That's cool. I don't. I definitely do NOT "revere" Crowley, and I am hardly surprised he would slander anyone in this fashion; he also referred to Krishnamurti as a "negroid messiah", and his own wife was referred to as a "brainless society woman", as well. However it is a complete misconception that the occult paths are open only to the "evolved"; there are some pretty scummy types who can claim to have an understanding of the workings of the Universe far beyond most people; all it requires is the discipline to do the work. Anyone who could muster the discipline and determination to climb nearly all the way to the top of the second-highest mountain of the Himalayas (Kangchenjunga) certainly had what it took to achieve in the occult realms. Like I said, one must 'give the devil his due". In fact, it was reading his "Confessions" that helped me to understand the various states that one passes through as one progresses; since occult teachers are few and far between, it was most helpful to me to read his account of his own experiences, including the phenomena that take place. I was thus able to "relax and enjoy the ride" rather than fret and fuss over whether I was "going crazy" or just imagining things. I will say here that I had NO time for Crowley at all prior to my introduction to High magick; because absolutely EVERYONE I met who was into Crowley was an IDIOT. In fact, I have a friend who is friends with the guy who has the largest collection of Crowleyana who is NOT into OTO, and he told me the guy said to him once "You're the only OTO guy I have ever met who ISN'T an idiot!". I only got into Crowley BECAUSE of my studies in Western Tantra and the fact that I was "instructed' to join a group that turned out to be OTO. One has to go where the knowledge is, after all! I will say that I am thankful that I had only to deal with his BOOKS, and NOT the man himself!
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Post by vajranagini on Oct 14, 2008 0:24:25 GMT
And, back on topic, what's this about MPH having been murdered? How is it they aren't sure what happened to him? You can read about it in the introduction from the book, which the publishers make available on-line as a preview: processmediainc.com/titles/images/mom_introduction.pdfI don't know if it's actually true, but it would make sense. The only question is, if LA PD suspected foul play, how come nobody was charged? He certainly was a good-looking young man! I wonder if he was strangled by a "jinn" or evil spirit. I've heard that can happen!
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Post by beersheva on Mar 1, 2014 18:43:55 GMT
M P Hall was a bibliophile, intensely learned at a very young age. He had one of the largest public esoteric libraries, located in Los Angeles, in the world. He was most certianly initiated into more than one esoteric organization, and was given the 33° almost at the end of his life, in Los Angeles. I don't know of anyone who spoke or wrote with the degree of esoteric learning M P Hall had in the last 50 years. No one in the OTO, Freemasonry or the HOGD.
Crowley took kabbalah in an inverted direction. As everyone knows, MAGIA can be used for great good or evil. M P Hall divested his great library of every article or book that Crowley had authored. Dr Stephen Hoeller, head of the Gnostic Society in California won't even pronounce his name, he considers Crowley so dark.
There were very strange things going on regarding M P Halls' books that were kept in a locked vault, including the BACSTROM MANUSCRIPTS on Alchemy that were very rare. One of the last things that M P Hall said addressing an audience of Masons before he died was "that they should take up the torch and bring humanity out of the base materialism that they had now found themselves in, and that the Masons were the ONLY ONES that could do that".
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