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Post by giovanni on Sept 19, 2006 15:24:41 GMT
Unfortunately no, Jim. It's oral tradition.
But it is quite logic: in the 3rd degree the spirit it totally free, no nore kept on earth; compasses are over square. Since "as above, so below", spirit is eventually "above", no more "below".
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Post by maat on Sept 19, 2006 23:06:06 GMT
I think this would be an ideal subject for Forum members to give a small talk on at the Festive board or whereever!
I am sure there are lots of Brn who are not even aware that the directions change in different ceremonies or parts of ceremonies. One little thought can lead to another... For those that want more depth at your local Lodge here is an opportunity.
I am finding this thread fascinating and intend to prepare what we call "a Piece of Architecture" on it.
Thank you all contributors.. very much
Maat
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Post by ruffashlar on Sept 20, 2006 20:17:26 GMT
I think this would be an ideal subject for Forum members to give a small talk on at the Festive board or whereever!
Call me old-fashioned (go on - I dare you) but I thought the operative word in Festive Board was festive not bored.
If I gave a lecture at our equivalent of a FB, my Brethren would probably bury me a cable-tow's length from the shore.
And they'd be right!
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Post by maat on Sept 21, 2006 0:53:46 GMT
..have you got enough rope? ;D ;D You asked for it ;D ;D Actually we don't give lectures at the Festive Board either, we do that in the Lodgeroom and call them "Pieces of Architecture". What we do do over the Festive Board on occasions is have stimulating discussions about some of the unexpected finds we make... Did you know... the other day I came across... I read where... and for me - on the Forum ... My husband can't understand why our meetings seem to take much longer than his Maat
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Post by hollandr on Sept 21, 2006 3:02:01 GMT
Maat
The concept of a piece of architecture is a good one and I have not found it in male lodges.
But my experience of pieces of architecture was that they were just lectures. It was rare indeed to find one that actually built an inner structure to accompany the presentation
cheers
Russell
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Post by ruffashlar on Sept 22, 2006 0:56:46 GMT
Oh, we have pieces of architecture, too.
They're what usually fall out of the ceiling when the Senior Deacon lets rip with Ten Guitars.
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giovanni
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Post by giovanni on Sept 22, 2006 16:53:28 GMT
but the temple is uncovered, there is no ceiling: I am afraid you are doing confusion between the deacon and the pigeon...
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Post by hollandr on Sept 22, 2006 23:16:33 GMT
>you are doing confusion between the deacon and the pigeon...
Ruff
Is this a case of pigeons coming home to roost?
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Russell
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Post by phil on Sept 24, 2006 10:23:08 GMT
Maat The concept of a piece of architecture is a good one and I have not found it in male lodges. But my experience of pieces of architecture was that they were just lectures. It was rare indeed to find one that actually built an inner structure to accompany the presentation cheers Russell Just to put in my two-pennyworth, which is my tendency these days: In Dutch lodges, a so-called Piece of Architecture is called a Building Blocks (Bouwstuk) which is a presentation of about a half-hour on a subject of interest. After the presentation, everyone gets the chance to ask questions of, or present short comments to the Brother “Presenter”. This is our way of comparing our thoughts and ideas with those of another without being challenging. The object is not to convince one another about who is right but to learn to appreciate another’s point of view and possibly modify our own based on what we have heard. These sorts of weekly meetings make up the majority of our time together. Rituals, on the other hand, take place about 7 times a year.
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Post by giovanni on Sept 24, 2006 13:27:57 GMT
more or less, the same as in Italy
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Post by maat on Sept 25, 2006 1:51:37 GMT
Good to hear Phil and Gio.... the Europeans are so good at some things.... Sounds like Building Block and P's of A are the same thing. For those that have not tried it - give it a go... most beneficial in every way. Would it be too difficult in English Masonry or the USA for a Master to try something different at a meeting? Maat
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Post by tim on Sept 30, 2006 7:15:53 GMT
ruffashlar, what you said! You betcha- if the math checkes out...then...well...
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Post by 2 BOWL CAIN on Nov 21, 2006 15:28:09 GMT
in america, ohio specifically, we seem to go clockwise around the lodge. Is it different in other places?
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Post by ruffashlar on Nov 21, 2006 21:51:56 GMT
we seem to go clockwise around the lodge
Not everyone drives on the left, of course. Fancy building a lodge on a traffic island!
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Post by kizzy on Nov 21, 2006 22:17:44 GMT
Nice to hear from you again, Bro Ruff. Now I always thought that Counterclockwise was known also as Widdershins and it was considered evil to walk that way or to stir food etc in that manner.
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Post by keith on Nov 24, 2006 21:56:53 GMT
But (and I'm perfectly serious here) I stirred my Christmas cake which I baked thw other day anticlockwise or widdershins. And although it's fresh and needs at least a month to mature before it can be cut, it's the best cake I've ever made, and I've made heaps. Mind you, it ought to be good, it has 1&1/4 cups (about 300mls) of rum in it.
If anyone is interested in the recipe, just ask, it's a big cake though, you need a 23cm (about 9ins) square tin, I use an old biscuit tin.
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Post by hollandr on Nov 24, 2006 22:02:38 GMT
If anyone can dowse with a pendulum they might like to dowse for the vitality of water stirred 50 times both ways.
Such water is useful for protecting sleeping areas from negative earth energies
Cheers
Russell
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Post by whistler on Nov 25, 2006 1:34:39 GMT
If anyone can dowse with a pendulum they might like to dowse for the vitality of water stirred 50 times both ways. Such water is useful for protecting sleeping areas from negative earth energies Cheers Russell Russell have you ever found you couldn't control a pendulum, ie spin it clockwise, anti clockwise, stop it or swing it.
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Post by hollandr on Nov 25, 2006 2:26:17 GMT
>Russell have you ever found you couldn't control a pendulum, ie spin it clockwise, anti clockwise, stop it or swing it.
I have found that people who have never used a pendulum can't do anything much for a while until they get the hang of it.
I think it is a matter of directing the attention of the nature spirit of the physical body to the pendulum and giving it a concept
I have also found on occasion a pendulum whirling around so fast that I wondered if the cord would break
Cheers
Russell
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Post by staffs on Nov 25, 2006 15:39:49 GMT
If anyone can dowse with a pendulum they might like to dowse for the vitality of water stirred 50 times both ways. Such water is useful for protecting sleeping areas from negative earth energies Cheers Russell Russell have you ever found you couldn't control a pendulum, ie spin it clockwise, anti clockwise, stop it or swing it. I have never doused with a pendulum but i have in fact doused with bent welding rods being held out in front of the body and in parrallel to each other . The rods swing inwards and cross over when they detect water being either contained within pipes or on or below the surface. This was in fact shown to me by an old Plumber who told me that you have to believe in it for it to work for you. It is amazing at how many people who were sceptical or "non believers" could not make it happen for them.
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