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Post by whistler on Nov 1, 2004 1:46:42 GMT
Masonry is full of Kabbala signs I found this in an Old Masonic Rituals Found this in a higher degree, Q: Why did you seek to receive a Knight of the Kabbala A: To know, by means of numbers, the admirable harmony which there is between nature & Religion. Q... A... etc Q: What is a Kabbalist A: A man who has learned, by tradition, the sacedotal art... Q: What means the device A: That everything lies veiled in numbers. Not much doubt in my mind that the Kabbala is solidly embeded in Masonry Look around the temple, have you ever noticed how important numbers are, The Points on the Star, the number of Officers, the number of steps up to the pedestals, the swings of the thurible, the regular steps, The coil of Ropes, the guage, the squares on the pavement, anyone care to add to the list ? The beauty of how the groups of numbers weave together in so many ways The next task is to seek the Kabbalist interpretation of each
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Post by taylorsman on Nov 1, 2004 10:46:31 GMT
Bro Whistler. At last it is great to have a Free Forum where such matters can be openly discussed without the fear of heavy handed Moderators or the sneers of sad old men who sarcastically criticise what they cant understand from the comfort of their entrenched positions. I totally agree that Numbers and the Kabballa play a great part in Freemasonry at all levels but some of the "Social Club Brigade" are too frightened of this or do not wish to offend the "Party Line" for fear of missing their "Honours" in the fullness of time. Good luck to you from an old Friend with a new "handle"
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Post by jmd on Nov 1, 2004 14:02:38 GMT
This 'everything lies veiled in numbers' is quite an interesting comment, and of course recalls rather Ancient Greek pythagorean and the late antiquity's Alexandrian syncretism of neo-pythagorean views than Jewish Kabalistic thought.
As a Freemason, there is undoubtedly many veiled secrets awaiting to be unveiled to the reason of understanding by contemplating numerous aspects of both ceremony and symbols.
Tonight, having just returned from my own Lodge's meeting, I was again struck by both the incredible diversity and wonderful uprightness and goodwill which lives in Freemasons... would but so many around us - non-freemasons - be exposed more frequently to that aspect of Freemasonry, and its light be more apparent!
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Post by ruffashlar on Nov 5, 2004 0:31:45 GMT
Everything does lie veiled in numbers, as far as I'm concerned. As soon as anyone mentions mathematics, my brain clouds over like the sun above a cricket match.
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Post by whistler on Nov 5, 2004 10:51:20 GMT
The Degree I found my quote in was Twenty Eighth Degree "Knight Sun; or Knight Adept. According to my source The walls or hangings represents Mountains, forests, grassy plains and cultivated fields, and other Natural scenery. The Hall should be circular, the roof supported by twelve columns, blue and white in colour and on each in gold one of the signs of the Zodiac.... Over the presiding Officer is is a transparency, the light showing through a Sun, occupying the center of an equilateral Triangle, inscribed within a circle. On the face of the sun is the Ineffable word **** Over the second Officer is a transparency on which is a winged serpent enfolding a globe on with is another Ineffable word ****
Over the Third Officer is a transparency on which is a double interlaced triangle in the center is another word **** Over the Fourth Officer is a transparency on which is a Large five-pointed Star; and on it the Phoenician name of the sun gold BAL
In this Degree there is the Lecture of the Kabbalists, which I obtained my first post. In this one Degree there is both Kabbala, Astrology and Freemasonry -
Anybody care to comment on the symbolism of the transparencies?
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Nov 11, 2004 8:22:19 GMT
To make those designs in the transparencies, one only needs a compass, knowledge of the "tree", and no physical measurement. This is all done by insrcibing circles etc. So that degree, though I have not investigated myself seems to explore basics and then continue into numeration.
Just a wild guess?
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Post by leonardo on Nov 30, 2004 19:09:09 GMT
If I am to be perfectly honest I have little idea of the correlation between numbers and Freemasonry, but I must confess, in all honesty, that I find the subject highly enjoyable and utterly fascinating! I look forward with pleasurable anticipation to learning more on this subject.
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Post by whistler on Dec 1, 2004 7:54:02 GMT
If I am to be perfectly honest I have little idea of the correlation between numbers and Freemasonry, but I must confess, in all honesty, that I find the subject highly enjoyable and utterly fascinating! I look forward with pleasurable anticipation to learning more on this subject. Leo, as I mentioned on another thread. take the 2 numbers Day Born = which is the day of the month and the Life Path which is the total of the birthdate. You add each number to achieve a single digit so th 25th November 1967 or 25.11.1967 would Day Born 2 + 5 = 7 Life Path 2 + 5 +1+1+1+9+6+7 =32 = 3+2 = 5 Now take a group of your family and work out the Day Born and Life path for each. Then look for common Groups of numbers. Also look at people with common numbers and look at the way they are You just might be surprised. I would be interested to hear the results from others doing the same
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Post by leonardo on Dec 1, 2004 9:05:02 GMT
Whistler.
I will get back to you on this when my head is a little clearer.
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Post by hollandr on Jan 4, 2005 7:06:52 GMT
Pythagoras tells us the numbers are alive.
I have experienced some evidence of that.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by staffs on Jan 4, 2005 7:39:53 GMT
Russell,can you digress further. ?
Pythagoras is also mentioned in the first degree tracing board.
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Post by leonardo on Jan 4, 2005 17:58:17 GMT
Russell,can you digress further. ? Pythagoras is also mentioned in the first degree tracing board. Lee: "Digress"? Surely you mean elaborate
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Post by staffs on Jan 4, 2005 18:58:36 GMT
Leo; Thank you for pointingout that freudian slip abit like saying Worshipful Mother.
So Russell can you elaborate further ??
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Post by hollandr on Jan 7, 2005 4:36:08 GMT
well there various ways that numbers can be experienced as alive.
One is experienced by some of those who work a lot with numbers - they feel when a number is wrong.
I found a higher level of this years ago when I was dealing with models of economies. A model of the economy was to be published and I was unhappy with the model. Actually the model made me feel unhappy. After I kicked up a fuss and my boss accused me of being irrational, the modeler checked with an international authority who immediately confirmed my view.
The modeller was using quarterly (solar) data on one side of various equations and monthy (lunar) data on the other. Logically it was stupid but it was also producing a lot of emotional pain for me.
It was sometime before I understood the source of the pain. The State whose economy was being modeled was a gestalt (group being) and was being directly pained by the energy emenating from the atrocious model. By misdescribing the processes of the economy the model was misusing the powers inherent in numbers to distort the actual processes in the economy.
The State gestalt was being numerically abused.
Now that may not seem very likely to you but it was very intense being in the middle of it.
Closer to home, the rungs of Jacobs ladder are numbered 7.7 up to 1.1 following the system in the Alice Bailey books.
I have taught rising on the planes (ascending Jacobs ladder) for some 30 years using those numbers. The numbers seem arbitrary but are directly understood by the sub-conscious of each person.
Intending the numbers takes one (given some preconditions) directly to the chosen plane of consciousness.
More generally I have used numbers for remote healing - based initially on radionics (electronic box with dials) then graduating to just intending the numbers to go to the client.
Of course you have to find the right numbers and colours and concepts for it to work.
If you are a sensitive and put your attention properly you may find beings in the solar system who embody the powers implicit in the numbers
Cheers
Russell
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