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Post by negredo on Oct 12, 2007 6:16:37 GMT
Are any out there interested in Martinism?
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Post by leonardo on Oct 12, 2007 7:26:32 GMT
Don't know much about this. Would you care give a brief out line?
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Post by sid on Oct 12, 2007 9:33:23 GMT
Yes
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Post by lauderdale on Oct 12, 2007 10:05:27 GMT
AFAIK Bro Middlepillar is a Martinist. As far as is permitted maybe he would be able to shed some Light on this Order?
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Post by ricardo on Oct 12, 2007 10:14:52 GMT
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Post by naphesh on Oct 12, 2007 10:44:32 GMT
Excellent Web Site, with many interesting books to download for free! www.moup.org/
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Post by corab on Oct 12, 2007 11:34:18 GMT
Many thanks for those links, Brn:. -- it looks very interesting indeed. Bro:. Middlepillar -- would you be able to provide some further insights -- by email of pm if necessary?
h.g.w.,
Cora
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Post by brandt on Oct 12, 2007 12:20:02 GMT
there are a few of us running around here.
Brandt
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Post by middlepillar on Oct 12, 2007 16:47:37 GMT
Posted by negredo on Today at 6:16 Are any out there interested in Martinism? I believe there are several people here, including me.Posted by Leonardo on Today at 7:26 Don't know much about this. Would you care give a brief out line? I will try Leo!Posted by Sid on Today at 9:33 Yes Good to know that Sid!Posted by lauderdale on Today at 10:05 AFAIK Bro Middlepillar is a Martinist. As far as is permitted maybe he would be able to shed some Light on this Order? I will try Steve!Posted by naphesh on Today at 10:44 Excellent Web Site, with many interesting books to download for free! www.moup.org/ A great resource for those interested in MartinismPosted by CoraB on Today at 11:34 Many thanks for those links, Brn:. -- it looks very interesting indeed. Bro:. Middlepillar -- would you be able to provide some further insights -- by email of pm if necessary? h.g.w., Cora I will try Cora!Posted by brandt on Today at 12:20 there are a few of us running around here. Brandt Yes Brandt it is also good to see you here!
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Post by brandt on Oct 12, 2007 16:53:52 GMT
I've been seeing you in all those familiar places.
Martinism is a definite jewel in the Western initiatic traditions. A jewel of great value.
Brandt
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Post by middlepillar on Oct 12, 2007 17:26:16 GMT
I promised I would explain a little about Martinism, so I will try. First of all I will give you a bit of background; I first discovered Martinism when I found out the then Senior Substitute Magus of The SRIA who was also Organist of my Rose Croix Chapter as well as being The Grand Master of HOM (Hermetic Order of Martinists). I feel absolutely priveliged to have become great friends with this man. When people talk about Martinism most have no idea at how vast the subject is and how many branches and varieties there are (probably more than Freemasonry!) More importantly very few have any real idea how closely linked to Freemasonry it is, although Martinism is not Masonic! I will not give a history lesson but will just say that there are 4 names inexplicably linked to Martinism, they are; Martinez de Pasqually, Louis Claude de St Martin (the Unknown Philosopher) and Willermoz. These are acknowleged as The Three Grand Masters of the order. The fourth is Gerard Encasse (Papus) to whom we must thank for the Martinism that is practiced today. The link with Freemasonry is very strong in fact the expression 'Proper freemasonry' or 'Freemasonry as it was meant to be' is often heard from Initiates into the Order, although I am not saying this! The Scottish Rectified Rite (CBCS) has Willermoz to thank for its wonderful ritual. (Willermoz also rewrote the Elus Cohen rituals which use the first three degrees in Craft masonry as a starting point like other Christian Orders including Rose Croix & CBCS) As I have said there are many types of Martinism, in England we have perhaps the most unique type in HOM, being the only Martinist Order that does not have Female members! HOM was Chartered in 1984 exclusively for members of SRIA, so you would not only have to be a Mason but also a Rosicrucian Mason as well. As far as I know it is the only Martinist Order that places this restriction on its membership. However there are other Martinist Orders in England, MOUP, SOMO and OMS amongst them, all of these admit men & women. Personally I find it to be the most beautiful of Orders (I am a member of HOM and MOUP) with what I consider to be the most interesting symbolism, it is of course not for everyone, but the initiates who walk the path will never regret it (IMHO!). Anyone interested in finding out more about Martinism, I would certainly recommend the moup web site because there are some great books there. From my own point of view I am very pleased that the Order is growing steadily and slowly in this Country. In terms of numbers I would estimate that there are over 500 Martinists in England split between the various Orders. To realise how popular the subject is just google martinism! The possibilities are endless!
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Post by brandt on Oct 12, 2007 18:40:31 GMT
The orders are experiencing a slow and steady growth in the USA as well. This is fine and good. I do not think that it would be good for the orders to have an influx of people. As you mentioned Martinism is not for everyone. I have never regretted it at all.
Brandt
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Post by sid on Oct 12, 2007 20:13:41 GMT
Excellent Web Site, with many interesting books to download for free! www.moup.org/Thanks for the link. Any group that I can contact here in Germany. I'm interested in group/ritual work. Any group that does not require Masonic membership or that I be a Master Mason to join. Any Martinist groups active in Germany? I would like to know a little more about the Elus Cohen if possible. Thanks.
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Post by leonardo on Oct 12, 2007 21:28:59 GMT
Chris, thank yo for that wonderful explanation. For my sins I never even heard of Martinists so it's nice to have this insight.
Do they have a presence in Ireland?
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Post by sid on Oct 12, 2007 21:48:00 GMT
Chris, thank yo for that wonderful explanation. For my sins I never even heard of Martinists so it's nice to have this insight. Do they have a presence in Ireland? Here is a good selection of books etc., www.martinism.eu/
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Post by jmd on Oct 13, 2007 4:58:15 GMT
Not all Martinist groups require Masonic membership, of course, and as Bro middlepillar has mentioned above, there are numerous branches of Martinism. Perhaps of note is also the TMO, 'attached' to AMORC. What appears to be one of the best overview is: www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/1896/mart.html
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Post by leonardo on Oct 13, 2007 8:19:12 GMT
Chris, thank yo for that wonderful explanation. For my sins I never even heard of Martinists so it's nice to have this insight. Do they have a presence in Ireland? Here is a good selection of books etc., www.martinism.eu/Thank you Sid for the link.
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Post by maat on Oct 15, 2007 1:34:50 GMT
"take the hidden paths that run West of the Moon, East of the Sun" [Tolkien] ( The dark north in Freemasonry... sorry, just caught my eye). Ricardo, are there any Martinists in SA? Maat
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Post by brandt on Oct 15, 2007 12:21:24 GMT
There is a good chance that there are Martinist near every major city. The problem is that they don't advertise.
Brandt
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Post by ricardo on Oct 23, 2007 18:46:42 GMT
Ricardo, are there any Martinists in SA? Maat Greetings, Maat. I know only of a group that meets in Melbourne, under a "constitution" from NZ. Ricardo
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