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Post by taylorsman on May 20, 2006 19:03:13 GMT
Leo, if she is happy enough to be brainwashed then write her off . Enlightenment is for those who are able to accept it.
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Post by leonardo on May 20, 2006 19:24:05 GMT
Leo, if she is happy enough to be brainwashed then write her off . Enlightenment is for those who are able to accept it. Well, while appreciating your point, and seeing perfectly where you're coming from, I can't in all honesty "write her off" totally. She is still my sister, after all But I know what you mean. Her path unfortunately leads her in just one direction and, in her eyes, anyone who does not share her views is going straight to Hell! Luckily I know other Christians who have a more understanding way of looking at things
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Post by sid on May 20, 2006 21:03:09 GMT
Greetings taylorsman & board members, Don't worry. Having read the book and before that HBHG, I will see the film and make up my own mind as I do with 100% of matters in this life. Saw the film this evening, and thought that it was okey. Don't know what all the fuss is about. The 'New Sophia' looked good as well
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Post by billmcelligott on May 20, 2006 22:35:32 GMT
Well I think it is always best practice to listen to all sides of an argument, most importanatly those you do not agree with. Your sister may well be interested in these lectures, obviously part of the punch in them is to diagree with the theory of the book regarding Christ and Mary.
Yes listening while driving is a think of today, it is mostly why I'm doing so much work on the audio library. There is loads of stuff in the library , you can downlaod what you find interesting and put it all on a CD. Bit like pick and mix.
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Post by rza008 on May 22, 2006 15:40:44 GMT
Saw the film on friday wasn't bad, really enjoyed it, , but it has had the difficult task of living up to the book, which i don't think it does, but it's a great film anyways
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Post by leonardo on May 22, 2006 18:34:23 GMT
Saw the film on friday wasn't bad, really enjoyed it, , but it has had the difficult task of living up to the book, which i don't think it does, but it's a great film anyways Thank you for that. It is extremely rare for any film to be up to the same level as the book, one notable exception being Where Eagles Dare staring Michael Cain. I hope to see TDVC sometime this week.
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Post by mrmason on May 23, 2006 5:41:51 GMT
Watched it yesterday afternoon, cause it was raining. Not a bad film bit I've seen Hanks on better form.
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Post by max on May 23, 2006 7:24:16 GMT
The Da Vinci Code: A wonderful and gripping story and a first class film - but no more than that. We've read the book and we've seen the film. Gripping! Max
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Post by Munro on Dec 17, 2006 15:14:30 GMT
Other -please explainThis is obviously an older thread, yet I am still compelled to reply. At the time, I was keen on seeing the movie for what it claimed to be, as a movie. "A good, intriguing movie" Indeed, it was an intriguing movie -but only in a "movie" sense. Am I making any (sense that is)? I think if Dan Brown is taken with a pinch of salt, he can be tolerable on one extreme, and fairly enjoyable on the other. He is a writer of fiction, is all. 'Tis fiction that, yes, it can be argued to be based upon ideas and ideals that have or do exist in our world -but that's all, at a stretch. There is a fear, that through the single mention of "masonic" (even though Knights Templar was mentioned countless times) that many individuals will seek to join local lodges for the wrong reasons, I don't think the movies should be scrutinized just yet. I am certain individuals, such as those described, will truly be caught out by any inquiry committee (should they find themselves at that stage) as a man without the Truth of Intention in his heart. I had a friend for example, whom would seek petition to join a Lodge due to the "really cool" things he heard about masonry from the National Treasure movie, but I would never encourage him to follow these impulses, even in pretense. It is this, as I have said before, that is the only real downfall of these fictional pieces. I feel it is essential to keep an eye out for these individuals -not just for the good of the Lodge, or Freemasonry as a whole- but for the individuals own benefit. As after all, there should be no benefit for such a person, in joining a Lodge. The nature of serious ritual and allegory would be lost on them, would it not? Anyway. That's enough of a tangent for today.
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Post by maat on Dec 18, 2006 1:38:35 GMT
Other -please explainI had a friend for example, whom would seek petition to join a Lodge due to the "really cool" things he heard about masonry from the National Treasure movie, but I would never encourage him to follow these impulses, even in pretense. It is this, as I have said before, that is the only real downfall of these fictional pieces. I feel it is essential to keep an eye out for these individuals -not just for the good of the Lodge, or Freemasonry as a whole- but for the individuals own benefit. As after all, there should be no benefit for such a person, in joining a Lodge. The nature of serious ritual and allegory would be lost on them, would it not? Gio and I disagree upon this point Munro. I read that one of the main purposes of Freemasonry is to lead man gently from the material to the spiritual. This would explain why there is no dogma, formal teachings can become easily contaminated, but symbols and allegories speak directly to the mind. So one could say that all might benefit from exposure to them. Curiosity is not a such bad motive - not one part of the world would have been discovered without it. I would send such a curious person on a world wide Internet search and invite him along to some 'helping hand' events to see if he measures up to the selflessness bit. If he perseveres and is made aquainted with the expectations that will be placed upon him should he elect to seek entry into the Order I don't see that it is a big problem. We have many such seekers finding their way around out Forum at present. I find this encouraging. Maat
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Post by Munro on Dec 23, 2006 11:26:43 GMT
Curiosity is not such a bad motive, no. It is a perfect motive. Perhaps thee motive.
Perhaps the example given by myself was far too specific. It did, in its form, relate only to the one individual; to the one situation. There is hardly a rule of thumb that holds all such intrigued individuals in the same category.
I do agree with what your saying, in other words.
To be example specific -I had tried many things to change certain tainted views that this individual held...but to no avail. To the point where I was called a liar.
But to lead a man gently from the material to the spiritual. That is a beautiful phrase.
Perhaps if I ever have contact with this friend again I will make more of an effort -a gentle effort- to ease him away from his media-frenzied views on the subject.
Cheers!
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Post by peterd on Dec 23, 2006 16:16:14 GMT
I did not think alot of the film. I think by reading the book first (which I actually enjoyed) it spoilt the film. There was so much cut out of it.
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Post by leonardo on Dec 23, 2006 16:24:20 GMT
I did not think alot of the film. I think by reading the book first (which I actually enjoyed) it spoilt the film. There was so much cut out of it. I too was disappointed with the movie. The book provoked much debate in our house but the movie was a let down. In fairness it has to be said that they generally rarely live up to what we expect, having read the book.
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Post by imakegarb on Dec 23, 2006 17:49:15 GMT
I'd refused to read the book or see the movie. I'm still annoyed with Dan Brown for trivializing this area of serious study. However, earlier this month, I was trapped on a 5-hour plane flight and guess which movie they were playing Well, it wasn't like I was gonna get that time back anyway so . . . Now I understand why folks kept thinking I'd seen the movie/read the book. Otherwise . . . yup, piffle.
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Post by hollandr on Dec 23, 2006 22:56:33 GMT
Karen While the film is poor in a number of respects, it has introduced a new generation to Holy Blood, Holy Grail And while that book too has some limitations (mainly in lack of answers) it has stimulated new and independent thinking about conventional religious beliefs Most of the answers are in The Twelfth Planet www.amazon.com/12th-Planet-Earth-Chronicles-Book/dp/038039362XCheers Russell
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Post by waynecowley on Dec 28, 2006 8:51:34 GMT
It's an OK film - but nothing special
Wayne
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Post by gasturb on Jun 11, 2008 1:36:02 GMT
I watched it 2 times and i remember I had objections about the allegations of the story. Although it was presented by media as a strong movie it couldnt lessen any of my religious beliefs
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Post by leonardo on Jun 11, 2008 7:25:27 GMT
I watched it 2 times and i remember I had objections about the allegations of the story. Although it was presented by media as a strong movie it couldnt lessen any of my religious beliefs In my view, this movie was poor in comparison to the book, which, although not a masterpiece, was a smashing, compelling read. His new book, Solomon's Key, will eventually come out but because of the decision taken not to release it when it was initially ready, and remember this was well over a year ago, much of the momentum will have been lost and sales will be nowhere as good as they could have been. IMHO. Incidentally, Dan brown's book, Angels & Demons is being turned into a movie and will soon feature at a cinema near you! www.imdb.com/title/tt0808151/
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Post by gasturb on Jun 11, 2008 14:53:12 GMT
aha!
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