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Post by leonardo on Nov 10, 2004 13:18:01 GMT
As a busy musician, and a non-smoker, I am absolutely delighted that the no smoking ban is proving to be such a success here in Ireland. It used to be the case where I would come home after a gig reeking of tobacco smoke. Now all this is no longer the situation.
This is why I'm extremely enthusiastic about the possibility of a no smoking ban spread across all of these islands. The Scottish parliament have decided, wisely in my opinion, to initiate proceedings there. Soon this will happen all over the United Kingdom, and eventually spread all over Europe.
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Post by bod on Nov 10, 2004 14:02:54 GMT
South Africa has the most sensible smoking policy I've seen. Instead of going for a fascist ban they have taken the route of compromise. Each establishment that wants to offer a smoking section has to provide an area physically seperated and contained, with air purifiers, extractors, etc. The non smokers are happy, the smokers are happy, staff can refuse to work in the smoking sections if they want - happy compromise.
I personally feel the police have more than enough to do with real crime without politicians inventing daft new laws.
But I'm a smoker, and believe in freedom of choice.
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Post by leonardo on Nov 10, 2004 14:32:51 GMT
Bod,
your freedom of choice made you chose to smoke. I chose not to and I certainly support the ban here, which is working a treat. The majority is delighted. Polls suggest this will also be the case in Scotland. I wish them well.
Some back here were up in arms, making claims that they would never drink in a pub again, but they've had to lump it. This ban works, Ireland is proof that it can. It will eventually work in the UK.
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Post by bod on Nov 10, 2004 15:58:35 GMT
But you completely miss the point Leo - why go for an all out ban when compromise can work so well?
I'd much rather my local bobby or community service officer was catching the muggers and burglars than handing out a fixed penalty to someone who sparked up a fag!
I would also doubt that the 234 workers at the Bewleys Oriental Cafe's in Dublin are that ecstatic about the ban, they will be loosing their jobs when the historic cafes in Grafton St and Westmoreland St close down later this month- a 10% loss of revenue since the smoking ban came in across the entire company.
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Post by staffs on Nov 10, 2004 16:20:03 GMT
ooh sparking up a f*g.now theres a phrase we all well know down here in Brighton dearie.
Just noticed the restricted words wont let me spell out
f a g (thats better)
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Post by bod on Nov 10, 2004 16:46:54 GMT
I guess this is a US based site then?
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Post by leonardo on Nov 10, 2004 17:09:03 GMT
Bod, with respect, a few hundred people loosing their jobs in Dublin fails in comparison to the many million who lose their lives because of passive smoke. You, it would seem, do not see the point.
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Post by staffs on Nov 10, 2004 17:12:01 GMT
leo,you are so sexy when you get angry
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Post by leonardo on Nov 10, 2004 17:14:02 GMT
OOh, you are awful, but I like you
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Post by bod on Nov 10, 2004 17:20:11 GMT
Leo - I can prove that these people will loose their jobs, what accurate, respected, scientific figures can you provide to back up your affirmation that millions of people die from passive smoking? More people die from car accidents and the like every day than die from passive smoking - you wanna see them banned too?
Don't get me wrong - I don't feel that anyone should breath my second hand smoke if they don't want to, but by the same token there are much more important things in the world than stopping people smoking. Surely you agree with me on that?
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Post by leonardo on Nov 10, 2004 17:31:24 GMT
Bod, I have little desire to get into this. It is not my place to prove anything. We, the non-smokers, have won. At least here in Ireland. It will happen in the UK. I sense you're peed off by this but just get over it. It's done and dusted.
I am fortunate that I do not smoke and these bans do not effect me as they clearly do you.
I respect your opinion, but your opinion will not alter what's to come. Learn to live with it and do not try to take it out on me. lol.
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Post by bod on Nov 10, 2004 17:42:48 GMT
Leo - I'm not taking it out on you, I do respect your position, but I get the impression that the anti-smoking lobby doesn't respect the views of those who want to smoke. Is compromise really that hard a thing for people to live with?
I'm off for a ciggy - that should clm things down...he he
On a slightly more harmonious note, I am keen to give up - over 3/4 's of the 13million smokers in the UK want to give up, and I'm one of them. One day, soon...
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Post by leonardo on Nov 10, 2004 17:55:06 GMT
Bod, I wish you luck and will say a prayer for ya. Enjoy your cigiiii Hopefully it won't be your last ;D ;D At least not till you quit.
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Post by whistler on Nov 10, 2004 17:58:08 GMT
I was a Smoker - Heavy at that and there is nothing as bad as a reformed Smoker...
Do smokers realise how much they Stink...
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Post by leonardo on Nov 10, 2004 18:01:55 GMT
Whistler, leave poor Bod alone, he's not that bad Seriously, well done for quitting. I was lucky as I never took it up, but I do appreciate it can be hard for some to give up. "Just say no" doesn't always work.
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Post by bod on Nov 10, 2004 18:03:33 GMT
Yeah, we do! Originally over 75% of my team at work smoked, now I am the only one stupid enough to do so! They take great delight in telling me how bad I smell when I come back in!
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Post by leonardo on Nov 10, 2004 18:11:10 GMT
Bod, my wife use to smoke when we first met 12 years ago. I don't recall if she "smelled" then, but she sure smells good now. Mind you she hasn't smoked since 11 years!
I wish you will as you make the effort to quit.
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Post by Yoki on Nov 10, 2004 18:58:35 GMT
A non smoking ban comes into place in all bars clubs restaurants etc here in NZ next month which doesn't effect me at all as I don't frequent these places very often .I have noticed my children's clothes stinking after a night out on the town and you do wonder how much gets into their lungs, so I am all for it. As to this site blanking out letters in unwelcome words I was amused when I wrote damnation in a reply, as you can see the beginning of the word seems unacceptable. This really to my mind is taking censorship a bit too far.
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Post by staffs on Nov 10, 2004 19:05:28 GMT
Yoki.it is not me that censors such words .This is obviously done somewhere else.
i agrtee with you 100 percent
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Post by adder on Nov 10, 2004 19:48:17 GMT
I LOVE the word censorship thing. ;D I tried to writ c o c k -eyed on another post and it came out thingy-eyed.I'm still giggling now(but then I never did have any pretensions to maturity).I smoke pipes,burning the strongest,most obnoxious foul smelling weed on the market,but NOT indoors. You a muso then Leo? Me too.I might contact you on the back burner(we are straying far from Masonic content).If I don't feel free to contact me.I'm still an "adder" after all,and have to write down where I've left the car!!
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