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Post by luna on Nov 18, 2007 0:18:36 GMT
Hi every one, im European Living in NZ. In my family we have Catolics, Massons, Rosacrusian, african religious including many other. I my self been searching for a path to follow. As young age been envited by strangers to join their secret sosciety,i new from Back them i was diferent... Never joined any thing realy. Now i realy feel the need to do so. I had lots of experiencies in my life and love the subjects but need proper development... I been marked in the chest by smthing not phisical 2y ago and still caring the scar..it a eye shape like the one on the American Dollar. I wrote some profecies, had visions , including many other thigs, but i dont have the knologe to all these that been happening.. Wonder if Massonic studies would be apropriated? ... Houpe someone b able to give me a guide line. Many thanks
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 18, 2007 0:25:47 GMT
Re the "tattoo." I would first check with your doctor for some more mundane explanation, such as a fungal infection, e.g. ringworm (it can leave a scar).
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Post by Tony Grimwood on Nov 18, 2007 3:50:23 GMT
If you are seeking an esoteric, spiritual path you may find Freemasonry, in the context of the male-only craft here in NZ, disappointing. Sadly, the majority of Brethren here seem to think that 'esoteric' is a dirty word; there are no doubt Masons in this land who have a wider view, but they are few in number. However that may be, we are all still Brothers, and that's one of the very special things about the Craft.
I hope you find what you're looking for.
Tony
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Post by maat on Dec 2, 2007 23:46:27 GMT
Hi Luna
I would suggest that you find a Theosophical Society first, they usually have libraries where you can read the different philosophies, theosophies etc and you will naturally incline to where you would be comfortable. There are also lots of folk there who would give sympathetic ear to your stories and experiences and perhaps give guidance.
Maat
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Post by leonardo on Dec 3, 2007 8:22:33 GMT
It sometimes saddens me when I read about people "looking for a path to follow." I feel many of us are guided towards a certain path but fail to appreciate or recognise the signs or directions when they jump out at us.
My advice? Stop looking. Start accepting.
Buddha said, " There is no path to happiness, happiness is the path."
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Post by imakegarb on Dec 3, 2007 18:24:07 GMT
"Follow your bliss." -- Joseph Campbell
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Post by maat on Dec 3, 2007 23:05:00 GMT
My advice? Stop looking. Start accepting. ;D ;D ;D Your wife must be very happy! Philosophically, your advice would negate the need for the masonic sojourners ... and their marvellous quest to find what they are looking for... Maybe we can meet half way, Leo.... how about substituting the work recognising for accept? Maat
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Post by leonardo on Dec 3, 2007 23:07:00 GMT
Sounds good to me. But ultimately it's all semantics, anyway
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Post by danael on Dec 29, 2007 16:25:39 GMT
I notice that this is an old thread but was wondering if there are any pics of this "marking"? I have several tattoos myself and am interested in scarification. as for the eye on the back of our dollar bill..... it's not masonic. Ok, the eye is but it's not why it's there over the unfinished pyramid. It denotes the all seeing eye of God over seeing the construction of the nation.
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Post by Antonius on Feb 5, 2008 13:10:27 GMT
as i understand it the eye of providence is slightly older then its masonic usage. during the rennasance and the enlightenment symbols were much more important in general then they are now. at some point a kind of reference book was created, i dotn remember what it was called, except that the word 'Ripa' was part of its name. heres an example of one image from it: from what ive read this book contains the first known drawing of the eye of providence. also i read that there is a slight difference in interpetation when seen in masonic context.
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Post by maat on Feb 5, 2008 23:17:38 GMT
I like this image. Masons might take some interest in the position of the winged caduceus, expecially when compared with the ida/pingala/sushumna site I post here every now and then, which shows the path the life energies take. One figure could be seen as holding the representation of the spinal column (as in the Bishop and his Crook), and the other figure the energies that play around it. No different to how electric/magnetic fields travel around wires. www.sci-journal.org/reports/vol4no1/v4n1a3.htmlAre we intelligent electro/magnetic fields with soul? Our earth operates the same way... does it have its own soul? ...the galaxy ...the universe ?? Are there many souls or just one soul which contains fragmentary souls? Ooh - head starting to hurt again... Maat If you care to entertain this thought, you can get a glimpse maybe of what Russell talks about sometimes re grounding (Earthing) anchoring (for Ark Mariners universal energy entities.
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Post by hollandr on Feb 6, 2008 2:53:53 GMT
>... anchoring ................ universal energy entities.
Arguably that is the primary purpose of Masonry.
If so then Masonry may belong to them rather than to the human ashlars
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Post by maat on Feb 6, 2008 3:46:15 GMT
If so then Masonry may belong to them rather than to the human ashlars How about we are perfect ashlars when we come into the world but in childhood 'the shadow', 'the dweller on the threshold' starts chipping away at our belief in ourselves so that we become imperfect and imprisoned mentally, emotionally etc. Masonry is telling us we must look for that which was lost. So we must have had it once. I have just come across an extremely interesting piece by Ferdie Rossi in "Highway to the Sun" Vol 3. I am having trouble relocating it for perusal here, but will persevere. I found it extremely interesting because it proferred a simple explanation for why there is so much strife in the world and his key suggestion for overcoming the situation was 'tyling the lodge' (my words but his instruction) and he gives an interesting and most effective way of doing it. It works in seconds. Amazing. Now I have wound you up I must try extra hard to find it again. It certainly made me look again at possible explanations for doing what we do as Masons. Cheers Maat
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Post by hollandr on Feb 6, 2008 5:43:04 GMT
>we are perfect ashlars when we come into the world
That might be a bit hopeful at present in terms of current karma: personal, family, national and planetary
>but in childhood 'the shadow', 'the dweller on the threshold' starts chipping away at our belief in ourselves
It is certainly true that experience in the world erodes youthful enthusiasm.
I would however distinguish the shadow from the dweller on the threshold. For example the shadow might include energy levels and planetary issues that do not enter into the individual dweller.
>so that we become imperfect and imprisoned mentally, emotionally etc.
Various entities may have an interest in reducing the effectiveness of the human race. Hence the threads on whether our thoughts, emotions and relationships are our own
Cheers
Russell
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Post by Tamrin on Feb 6, 2008 10:55:16 GMT
as i understand it the eye of providence is slightly older then its masonic usage.
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Post by Tamrin on Feb 6, 2008 11:36:13 GMT
I like this image. Masons might take some interest in the position of the winged caduceus, expecially when compared with the ida/pingala/sushumna site I post here every now and then, which shows the path the life energies take.
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Post by maat on Feb 6, 2008 22:27:36 GMT
Great stuff Tamrin.... a most useful set of illustrations.
I am really grateful also for the suggestion you made last year re the 3rd and advancing also. A real light went on there.
Cheers Maat
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Post by maat on Feb 6, 2008 22:41:35 GMT
I would however distinguish the shadow from the dweller on the threshold. Maybe they are one or different... I honestly don't know. But I did find it interesting to discover that up until I had read this I had always assumed that the Dweller was a door keeper on the upward track, not for a minute did I consider him a security guard type making sure trying to keep me down. Masonic keys and passwords would indicate that the Dweller is separate from the Shadow. This is where I find Masonry a great help. With it's stories and clues it sends you off in all directions exploring new fields and when you find something, you can come back to the Lodge and put what you find against the Plan of the Works and see if it fits, what it is for, etc etc. Maat
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Post by hollandr on Feb 6, 2008 23:35:13 GMT
>Masonic keys and passwords would indicate that the Dweller is separate from the Shadow.
The use of "passwords" as a symbol likely has both mythological and metaphysical foundations.
For example I seem to recall that Gilgamesh needed some sort of password to enter the home of the local gods. It was possibly the personal name of his great-uncle (or similar) who was in charge of the space port - that name being not well known amongst humans except those who were sons and daughters of the gods.
But equally on metaphysical levels there are various pass requirement e.g. to enter the local temple in the heavens or for inner initiation
Cheers
Russell
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Post by maximus on Feb 6, 2008 23:47:02 GMT
For example I seem to recall that Gilgamesh needed some sort of password to enter the home of the local gods. It was possibly the personal name of his great-uncle (or similar) who was in charge of the space port - that name being not well known amongst humans except those who were sons and daughters of the gods. You buying in to Zachariah Sitchen?
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