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Post by offramp on Dec 2, 2004 8:42:16 GMT
Whistler, we do not have a Privacy Act - however, to force a Mason to disclose his membership is in breach of European legislation to which we in England must now pander... This makes it sound as if you are against that legislation!
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Post by taylorsman on Dec 2, 2004 9:40:26 GMT
This is one of the better pieces of European Legislation , not all of it is about Standardised Curves to Cucumbers or the Content of Sausages and some of the Employee Protection Regulations are beneficial to Ordinary Workers such as myself. The matter of the EU and just how far the UK ought to be involved in it is far too deep and contentious for this Forum I feel. Perhaps Doric has his own Political Agenda on this subject?
Returning to the point, I was once a Local Councillor and when after a break of some years I offered my name as a Candidate for the party I then belonged to I was given a Form to fill out. Most of this was simply Biographical and other details, such as on a Job Application Form but one question was "Are you a member of any Secret Society such as The Freemasons?" I refused to complete this Form, withdrew my name and, a few months later resigned from that Party for a number of reasons and have not been involved in Politics since 1998.
Notice there was no mention of the Knights of St Columba, or the Catenians, or Bnai Brith , the Biraderai or any other Secret Society, only Freemasonry which is a Society with Secrets as the presence and location of Masonic Lodges is a matter in the Public Domain. It is ironic that a well known MP, now a Junior Minister, is quite happy to associate with Terrorists but is an implacable Enemy of Freemasonry which has in its Ranks some of the most worthy members of Society.
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Post by Michael on Dec 2, 2004 10:06:17 GMT
Taylorsman,
You are quite right there is a lot of legislation that does good - at least I hope it does. However Doric I suspect the act of taking the lord Chancellor to court so as to stop the question about Masonic membership being asked would do more harm than good. The cry of "what are they hiding" comes to mind and I am sure the list could come up with plenty more. I think the 'persecution' would increase.
I should point out that at the first interview nothing was said - after all it is for monitoring purposes only is it not, as for the second interview, I'll let you know tomorrow.
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Post by aaron on Dec 5, 2004 23:28:05 GMT
1. WWII when hitler persectuted masons in the german empire, look up "forget-me-not" for more info on this ? a lot of the Nazi symbols are funny when you think about it the egal maltese cross skulls sounds like they where secretly down with the NWO or somthing?
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Post by offramp on Dec 6, 2004 4:07:43 GMT
What is the NWO?
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Post by Doric on Dec 6, 2004 7:03:43 GMT
He's on about the New World Order
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Post by leonardo on Dec 6, 2004 12:44:02 GMT
He's on about the New World Order It is surprising the amount of idiots there are who still believe this nonsense. Actually, it isn't all that surprising, when you think about it. Just look at hundreds of thousands of poor misguided fools who buy into what the likes of David "I'm the Son of God" Icke have to say.
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Post by taylorsman on Dec 7, 2004 9:32:06 GMT
I really feel we ought to simply ignore Icke. All he ever did was to be an indifferent goalie for a second rate football team, a TV Sports Comentator for a short time and had an appalling taste in shell suits. There is an old Scots proverb, "The more you tramp on s**t the more it spreads" so I feel we should simply leave Icke to sink into obscurity only appearing once in a while on TV Gold or some 1980s Retro programme.
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Post by leonardo on Dec 7, 2004 11:37:07 GMT
Well said Steve. Couldn't agree more.
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Post by Doric on Dec 9, 2004 7:23:52 GMT
Found on the Warwickshire Provincial Site -
Looks like some more persecution!
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Post by Proton on Dec 17, 2004 21:03:47 GMT
Regarding the issue of persectuion of the freemasons, I do seem to recall that there was a high profile case in 2002, when the MOD was taken to court by UGLE over the issue of the former trying to ban UGLE from holding meetings on its premises. There was also an issue that the government was going to bring in some form of regisration for masons in the Judicery, services, of which Chris Mullen MP (remember him) was one of the champions of this cause! The MOD LOST the case, and had to pay its own costs and those of UGLE, a six figure sum apparently. It is my understanding that the case was due to the MOD Discriminating against freemasonry. A number of local authorities, who have registers of masons (Both men and women incidently) have had to take legal advice over these and have been told, that if there was a legal challendge against them (The Council) over the presence of these registers of masons , then they would LOOSE and have to pay their own costs, the costs of the plaintiff and possible damages. So they have dismantled them. The real issue is how can you set up a register of masons in a non discriminatory way. That is the whole crux of the matter, because until now everything has been done in a discriminatory way and the perpetrators have not only gone away with a slapped wrist, but also a financial penalty. Woe betide any council that fights such a case using ratepayers money. It must be remembered that as a citizen of the EEC, we have a: Right to privacy, right of freedom of association, and a right to lawful assembly. These are three very important human rights articles that have arrived on the statute books. However the existence of the following two registers is interesting: In parliament there is a register of members interests, which lists everything. Yes all clubs, sports societies etc, fees you get from lunch time speaking, payments as a directors, etc. It is a big undertaking and the registrar has a big job on his or her hands. MPs admit whilst it is meant to solve a number of problems, it infact causes more problems than it solves. The second, well that is an interesting one, the GMC. Aparrently there was some problem years ago and they could not put there finger on it and masonry was assumed to be at the bottom of it. Rightly or wrongly? Lastly, the Welsh Assembly has voted on a number of ocassions for a register of masons. It has been told that it were to pass such an act or whatever, it would be in breach of the human rights articles I have detailed above, and would risk prosecution by Brussels. John Hamil the UGLE Director of Communications has been down there twice to advsie them on what masonry is about and to answer any questions. We live in a time of change and fortunately for masons it seems that it is for the better. Do remember that we in the UK are not alone with our problems similar ones exist on the continent. Perhaps someone in that area could advise this thread. Proton ;D
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