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Post by maat on Mar 12, 2008 21:38:43 GMT
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 13, 2008 7:24:05 GMT
Although not likely, the asteroid belt may well be composed of the remnants of a former planet. As I said: Another planet would not surprise me. But why would one suggest Planet X would necessarily equate with Sitchin's Nibiru? One might as well expect a new life form will sooner or later be discovered and suggest it must necessarily be a unicorn?
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Post by maat on Mar 13, 2008 22:19:42 GMT
Actually Nibiru has already been seen as Jupiter.. Nibiru, to the Babylonians, was the celestial body associated with the god Marduk. The name is Akkadian and means 'crossing place' or 'place of transition'. In most Babylonian texts it is identified with the planet Jupiter. In Tablet 5 of the Enuma Elish it may be the pole star, which at the time was Thuban or possibly Kochab (Ursa Minor). www.crystalinks.com/nibiru.htmlMaat
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Post by maat on Mar 13, 2008 22:22:40 GMT
For readers not acquainted with Nibiru et al... Babylonian Creational Myths - Enuma Elish The Babylonian creation myth is recounted in the "Epic of Creation" also known as the Enuma Elish. The Mesopotamian "Epic of Creation" dates to the late second millennium B.C.E. Sumer. In the poem, the god Marduk (or Assur in the Assyrian versions of the poem) is created to defend the divine beings from an attack plotted by the ocean goddess Tiamat. The hero Marduk offers to save the gods only if he is appointed their supreme unquestioned leader and is allowed to remain so even after the threat passes. The gods agree to Marduk's terms. Marduk challenges Tiamat to combat and destroys her. He then rips her corpse into two halves with which he fashions the Earth and the heavens. Marduk then creates the calendar, organizes the planets, stars and regulates the moon, sun, and weather. The gods pledge their allegiance to Marduk and he creates Babylon as the terrestrial counterpart to the realm of the gods. Marduk then destroys Tiamat's husband, Kingu using his blood to create mankind so that they can do the work of the gods.
The Enuma Elish is written on seven tablets, each are between 115 and 170 lines long. Read the tablets yourself on the link below, quite fascinating. www.crystalinks.com/babyloniancreation.htmlMaat
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Post by maat on Mar 13, 2008 22:28:55 GMT
Interesting to note that I have read that the moon was ripped from the Pacific Ocean area of the Earth and that Venus was likewise ripped from Jupiter. Between Earth/Venus and Jupiter we have the 'god of war', Mars, and the Asteroid Belt (the late great Tiamet?)
(Note - the Pacific Ocean is most unstable and surrounded by the Ring of Fire and Jupiter still has that gigantic whorling mass in its side, which scientists consider to be a storm ?? )
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 14, 2008 7:09:19 GMT
Actually Nibiru has already been seen as Jupiter..
Nibiru, to the Babylonians, was the celestial body associated with the god Marduk. The name is Akkadian and means 'crossing place' or 'place of transition'. In most Babylonian texts it is identified with the planet Jupiter. In Tablet 5 of the Enuma Elish it may be the pole star, which at the time was Thuban or possibly Kochab (Ursa Minor).
www.crystalinks.com/nibiru.html
Maat According to the Babylonian texts, upon his own idiosyncratic reading of which Sitchin relied for "proof," Nibiru was Jupiter (a gas planet)!? Elsewhere, it may be the Pole Star, Or may be a brown, dwarf sun; Or may be a planet whose remnants comprise the asteroid belt; Or may be whatever, or rather whatnot.
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Post by hollandr on Mar 14, 2008 8:40:14 GMT
>that the moon was ripped from the Pacific Ocean area of the Earth and that Venus was likewise ripped from Jupiter
The Venus from Jupiter is more likely that the Moon from Earth.
Mainly because the Moon is 10 times the age of the Pacific
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 14, 2008 11:08:11 GMT
>that the moon was ripped from the Pacific Ocean area of the Earth and that Venus was likewise ripped from Jupiter
The Venus from Jupiter is more likely that the Moon from Earth.
Mainly because the Moon is 10 times the age of the Pacific The likelihood or not of the Moon from Earth has nothing to do with the likelihood or not of Venus from Jupiter. That said, and while I do not know the credibility of Ma'at's source, it refers to "the Pacific Ocean area of the Earth", rather than to the present Pacific (remember, the Earth has remained geoactive). Bearing-in-mind your record with respect to cheetah clones, Hatshepsut's temple, etc., when it comes to your opinion vs those of subject matter experts, I know to whom I am likely to give most credence.
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Post by lauderdale on Mar 14, 2008 13:09:22 GMT
I used to scoff at some of Bro Russell's posts but in the last 2 years or so I have found a lot I can believe in.
I find Russell to be a vibrant soul with whom I can empathise, not a dried up husk like some academics I have encountered who are all brain but very little heart.
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Post by maximus on Mar 14, 2008 13:45:03 GMT
I used to scoff at some of Bro Russell's posts but in the last 2 years or so I have found a lot I can believe in. I find Russell to be a vibrant soul with whom I can empathise, not a dried up husk like some academics I have encountered who are all brain but very little heart. "Dried up acedemics?" Sounds like a stereotype to me. "very little heart?" Sounds like an assumption. Acedemics and scientists are human too. Unlike mystics, however, they contribute to our standard of living. The mystics had thier time, what was it...oh yeah, the middle ages. Yessiree, that was a high point of civilisation!
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 14, 2008 17:57:47 GMT
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Post by maximus on Mar 14, 2008 18:03:33 GMT
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Post by lauderdale on Mar 14, 2008 18:10:08 GMT
Yes Scientists have contributed many great things using the Intelligence and sometimes the Inspiration that God had given them but not all that has come from their hands has been good, Atomic, Chemical and Biological Weapons as an example, pollution from processes they have invented etc.
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Post by lauderdale on Mar 14, 2008 18:16:51 GMT
I had a micro-snigger at the cartoon, Tamrin. There were instances of God either directly or via some agent such as a Prophet striking a mocker blind, but of course there are also cases in the same Bible of Our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ curing the blind.
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 14, 2008 18:23:35 GMT
I find it bizarre that many who criticise science are nevertheless anxious to present their pet theories as somehow being "scientific" (in such cases we are invariably reminded of the emperor's new clothes).
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Post by maximus on Mar 14, 2008 18:28:29 GMT
I find it bizarre that many who criticise science are nevertheless anxious to present their pet theories as somehow being "scientific" (in such cases we are invariably reminded of the emperor's new clothes). Just as those who argue irrationality use the tools of rationality to validate it.
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Post by maximus on Mar 14, 2008 18:30:44 GMT
(in such cases we are invariably reminded of the emperor's new clothes). I'm picturing naked hippies for some reason.
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Post by billmcelligott on Mar 14, 2008 19:32:51 GMT
No reason, he just likes to think of naked hippies ?
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Post by maximus on Mar 14, 2008 19:44:07 GMT
No reason, he just likes to think of naked hippies ? Train of assocciation: anti-technology+Emperor's New Clothes (nudity) = Naked Hippies.
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 14, 2008 20:06:51 GMT
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