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Post by hollandr on Apr 15, 2008 4:36:32 GMT
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 15, 2008 9:21:28 GMT
it may be time to reconsider the human-animal gods of ancient Egypt Gosh! What are we to make of the Egyptian ceremonial masks? I guess the likelihood of human / animal hybrids makes more sense than the ludicrous suggestion that masks and costumes were used, as they still are in various traditions around he globe, including among tribes neighbouring Egypt. Oh, and I guess that, while we're at it, we should also accept the likelihood that Richard the Lion-heart was a hybrid—I think not. Just as the depictions of Pharaohs of truly gigantic proportions got you going, despite them leaving normal sized mummies, so too might we expect those depicted as human-animal gods (a theme still being used in the Greek and Roman eras) to have left their mortal remains for us to figure out how they functioned.
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Post by maat on Apr 15, 2008 22:57:57 GMT
I know someone who looks like a budgerigar. His nickname is Budgie!
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Post by hollandr on Apr 16, 2008 0:05:51 GMT
>I guess the likelihood of human / animal hybrids makes more sense than the ludicrous suggestion that masks and costumes were used
There may have been various motives for making statues with animal heads (instead of statues of animals) and at some later(?) stage using animal masks.
And of course some of the hybrids were lower end such as centaurs and the depiction of Lilith above.
Actually I suspect the Lilith depiction to be derivative in that I recall the same head gear on a statue of a female with a backpack. If the back pack allowed flying (like James Bond) then a primitive depiction of Lilith might depict her with wings and bird feet
But I was only raising the possibility that if humans can now breed human-animal hybrids then that may have occurred in the past also - along with pyramids.
If so, then some of the ancient depictions of hybrids may need to be reconsidered
But I may be wrong. The current human-animal hybrids may never prove viable in which case we can cease to wonder at ancient depictions
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Post by maat on Apr 16, 2008 0:30:28 GMT
Well, not having met any ET's I cannot say for certain that they may not look to us as part human, part bird, dragon whatever. How does one describe the popular "Greys"? There are too many reports from all over that match up, for the Greys to be non existant, IMO. Would you discribe them as half human (legs/arms) and half ... ? What about Yeti/Bigfoot, half human half ... ?
Large statues in Egypt ... what if they are representations of "the giants in the Earth in those days" of the Bible? I am not saying they are, but ... ?
Then there is the Edgar Cayce material about Atlantis/Og, the flood, fleeing to Egypt/Ararat... fanciful dreaming or genuine seership?
"Ra Ta Establishes the Temples
Ra Ta began to select those pointed out to him through his inner guidance that would aid in establishing the temples. He was preparing for the Temple of Sacrifice, similar to hospitals in the present, and the Temple Beautiful, compared to a university.
The Temple of Sacrifice was to help cleanse those who still had animal representations in the body such as tails, feathers, scales, hooves, etc. Ra Ta believed these mixtures could be cleansed so they could attain a higher level of consciousness and become contributing members of society."
Who knows? Persistent stories tend to have a substantial basis somewhere or other.
Maat
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Post by hollandr on Apr 16, 2008 1:15:52 GMT
>What about Yeti/Bigfoot, half human half ... ?
In that case the link might be the other way.
In the epic of gilgamesh the gods had various attempts at breeding workers with some strange hybrid results according to depictions. Eventually they turned to a hominid on the planet that had genetics related to theirs (no explanation of the close relationship as I recall)
And they crossed their own genetics with the hominid to produced the worker race - the lulus
So it may be that the yowie/big foot/coromandel man/yeti is the earlier hominid used to breed the current human race.
The story probably is more complex than the gilgamesh account portrays - with more players and more interventions and more agendas.
These days we are quite wary of any official accounts even when ancient
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Post by maat on Apr 16, 2008 4:04:27 GMT
So it may be that the yowie/big foot/coromandel man/yeti is the earlier hominid used to breed the current human race. We used to live in Coromandel Valley ... ;D Maat
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 16, 2008 7:47:29 GMT
In the epic of gilgamesh the gods had various attempts at breeding workers with some strange hybrid results according to depictions. Eventually they turned to a hominid on the planet that had genetics related to theirs (no explanation of the close relationship as I recall)
And they crossed their own genetics with the hominid to produced the worker race - the lulus I heard read the epic: This does not ring true. Please provide your source.
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Post by maximus on Apr 16, 2008 11:37:57 GMT
And they crossed their own genetics with the hominid to produced the worker race - the lulusI heard read the epic: This does not ring true. Please provide your source. Zacharia Sitchen
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 16, 2008 12:13:48 GMT
How does one describe the popular "Greys"? See an earlier postLarge statues in Egypt ... what if they are representations of "the giants in the Earth in those days" of the Bible? That mummification process must sure take a lot out of the models [/size] I heard read the epic: This does not ring true. Please provide your source. Zacharia SitchenSitchinIsWrong.com"For every credibility gap there is a gullibility fill" - Richard Clopton -
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Post by maximus on Apr 16, 2008 13:34:05 GMT
[ Large statues in Egypt ... what if they are representations of "the giants in the Earth in those days" of the Bible? That mummification process must sure take a lot out of the models [/size][/quote] A little shrinkage going on. It has more to do with sacred geometry. Reference R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz. Also John Anthony West. I would reccommend The Sacred Tradition in Ancient Egypt by Rosemary Clark for an excellent discription of genuine Egyptian religious practice.
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Post by maat on Apr 17, 2008 0:17:28 GMT
That mummification process must sure take a lot out of the models [/size][/quote] Did you see the TV show where Zawi Hawaas took the cameras below the Sphinx, where they found a chamber in which there was a 'pond'. In the middle of of the pond was 9' sarcophagus? There were various passages leading off from this chamber which Hawass said had not been explored as yet (?). It was one of those shows you wish you had recorded. Now I really wish I had, because try as I may, I can find no reference to this on the Internet anywhere. Which is really strange! If anyone else saw this show would you please let me know. Maat
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Post by maat on Apr 17, 2008 0:21:12 GMT
Getting back to half and halfs. On television this morning they showed one poor man whom they discribe and half man/half tree !! Not unlike the Elephant Man this poor soul has enormous fungal growths where his feet should be - it looks like a serpentine mangle of roots. The rest of his body has tree type growths on it too.
And we complain!!!
Maat
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Post by maximus on Apr 17, 2008 0:59:48 GMT
That mummification process must sure take a lot out of the models [/size][/quote] Did you see the TV show where Zawi Hawaas took the cameras below the Sphinx, where they found a chamber in which there was a 'pond'. In the middle of of the pond was 9' sarcophagus? There were various passages leading off from this chamber which Hawass said had not been explored as yet (?). It was one of those shows you wish you had recorded. Now I really wish I had, because try as I may, I can find no reference to this on the Internet anywhere. Which is really strange! If anyone else saw this show would you please let me know. Maat [/quote] I remember seeing it as well. The nine foot "sarcophagus" was likely not a sarcophagus as such. The ancient Egyptians were not giants.
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Post by maat on Apr 17, 2008 3:14:50 GMT
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Post by hollandr on Apr 17, 2008 4:25:47 GMT
>The ancient Egyptians were not giants.
I recall reading that Osiris was 17 feet tall and black - but the source escapes me at present
I think the blackness was embarassing later and he was depicted as green
In the same way it seems that Krishna was black but that was lower class so he is depicted as blue
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 17, 2008 8:16:35 GMT
I recall reading that Osiris was 17 feet tall and black - but the source escapes me at present So, because you read it somewhere, it must be true!?
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 17, 2008 8:42:02 GMT
Did you see the TV show where Zawi Hawaas took the cameras below the Sphinx, where they found a chamber in which there was a 'pond'. In the middle of of the pond was 9' sarcophagus? There were various passages leading off from this chamber which Hawass said had not been explored as yet (?). It was one of those shows you wish you had recorded. Within four massive shrines, the boy king, Pharaoh Tutankhamun's sarcophagus was nearly 9' long, (2.74 meters long by 1.47 meters wide and 1.47 meters high). This was to contain his three coffins (the innermost one being of solid gold) and his mummy, all nested like Russian dolls. Had he been a bit taller, his sarcophagus could easily have exceeded nine feet.
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Post by lauderdale on Apr 17, 2008 9:39:06 GMT
Bro Russell, you mention Black/Brown skinned Gods etc being changed to another colour, (I too have always seen Osiris, whatever height he may have been depicted, as Green and Krishna as Blue).
This reminds me of a Roman Catholic saint called Martin of Pores. He was a monk who was descended from black slaves in South America and was canonised in the 1960s. Statutes were made of this new saint but one lady in knew in Glasgow wishing to purchase one asked for one with a white face and not black. In a way it is like the various classical images of Christ and His Mother Mary. These tend to be shown as Nordic Types whereas they would have been similar to the people from the Middle East. I suppose each culture envisages its Deities/Saints etc in its own image.
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 17, 2008 10:18:42 GMT
If planets similar in size to Jupiter or Saturn had their version of human beings upon them I wonder how tall (or long) they would be. Does the relative size of our world have an influence on the size of it's inhabitants? Giants would not cope with strong gravity: They would be crushed under their own weight.
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