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Post by Tamrin on Apr 17, 2008 11:50:51 GMT
Bro Russell, you mention Black/Brown skinned Gods etc being changed to another colour, (I too have always seen Osiris, whatever height he may have been depicted, as Green and Krishna as Blue). The Egyptians considered that their civilisation originated in Nubia or Kush; The original seat of Amun was thought to be the sacred mountain at Gebel Barkal near Meroë (earlier called Saba); The original Medjay guards were also from Kush; as was the negroid Twenty-fifth Dynasty. In the face of the Assyrian invasion, the 25th Dynasty retreated back to Kush, from where they ruled in Egyptian style for hundreds of years into the present era (C.E.). Indeed, they did not so much cease to exist as they were forced further south, where they merged with and added legitimacy to the Axumite Kingdom of the Ethiopian Empire, which persisted up until 1975, with the death of Emperor Haile Selassie (an Imperial Council, representing the several royal families, still exists). On the other side of the equation, there were pharaohs and their queens, who we know from their mummies as having been relatively fair-skinned (a few even had red or strawberry blond hair), and who were some-times depicted as being jet black. Although prejudiced in other ways, the Egyptians do not appear to have been averse to dark skin, as such (just as well, being in Africa).
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Post by maximus on Apr 17, 2008 16:41:31 GMT
Osiris is depicted as having a green face because, as a rising/dying god, he is representative of the vegetation cycle.
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 17, 2008 21:24:12 GMT
Osiris is depicted as having a green face because, as a rising/dying god, he is representative of the vegetation cycle. Black would also be appropriate (although I have not seen images of a black Osiris), since Egypt was known as the 'Black Land" (k'm't') because of its fertile, black soil.
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 17, 2008 21:55:03 GMT
Bro. Russell, Looking at the illustration above has made me realise something. It is definitely certain proof that Osiris was a human / plant hybrid, no suggestion of allegory or of artistic licence or convention should be entertained. Let's chuck Ockham's Razor out the window and go with the most absurd theory, because we can.
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Post by lauderdale on Apr 17, 2008 22:17:28 GMT
Bro Russell, are there any tie-ins with the "Green Knight" as in Gawaine and the Green Knight and other such folk legends?
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 17, 2008 22:50:18 GMT
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Post by hollandr on Apr 17, 2008 22:54:31 GMT
>are there any tie-ins with the "Green Knight" Good question I am reminded of Al Khidr en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-KhidrI suggest that the Green Knight is testing the purity of heart. This might be confirned by the colour of a healthy nature spirit of the heart chakra which is typically a new leaf green. If new leaf green is the natural colour for the heart entity that might be a veiling of the heart as the source of all life As "Osiris was to the Egyptians the god-man who suffered, and died, and rose again, and reigned eternally in heaven " it may well be that the green of Osiris has 2 meanings. one as the open-hearted saviour and the external form of renewal in nature So there may be a direct connection between Osiris and the green knight - not so much historically as energetically Cheers Russell
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 17, 2008 23:18:39 GMT
If new leaf green is the natural colour for the heart entity that might be a veiling of the heart as the source of all life The Crown Chakra or even the Root Chakra might be said to be the source of all life.
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Post by maat on Apr 17, 2008 23:25:22 GMT
Osiris is depicted as having a green face because, as a rising/dying god, he is representative of the vegetation cycle. If you watch the final seconds of the sun descending below the horizon, there is a flash of green. Ask any sailor. Maat
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Post by hollandr on Apr 17, 2008 23:36:42 GMT
>The Crown Chakra or even the Root Chakra might be said to be the source of all life.
Philip
You might like to consider in which chakras the incoming streams of life and consciousness are anchored
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 17, 2008 23:51:42 GMT
You might like to consider in which chakras the incoming streams of life and consciousness are anchored
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Post by maat on Apr 17, 2008 23:53:12 GMT
How about the seed atom repository in the heart? Or where the silver cord joins the body? Various schools place this differently. The Crown... The Tan Tien... Here is a good link which expands into most areas of interest in this topic. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtle_bodyMaat
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 18, 2008 0:04:33 GMT
So, basically, if anything was violet, indigo, blue, green, yellow, orange or red, one might say it corresponds to the Chakra of that colour and that: I see how it works now: How profound!?
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Post by maat on Apr 18, 2008 0:06:19 GMT
If the dark skinned peoples were thought of as inferior, as related above, might this not add fuel to Zacariah Sitchins interpretation of the Sumarian Tablets, which tells us how earth man had the brawn and the 'visitors' had the brains. To gain a more effective workforce the 'visitors' purposely interbred. Keeping in mind that the tablets state that this happened in Africa, earth man there would have been dark skinned. So brawn was seen as black and brains as white. (Mind you a lot of fair maidens still think brawn is still neanderthal ;D ) The above proposition is based on the 'visitors' being fair skinned, and I cannot remember now what the tablets said on than. Maybe they were green Maat
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 18, 2008 0:17:59 GMT
If the dark skinned peoples were thought of as inferior, as related above... The person relating this was Russell, so it becomes something of a circular argument. The Ancient Egyptians did NOT appear to consider others to be inferior on the basis of skin colour. SitchinIsWrong.com"For every credibility gap there is a gullibility fill" - Richard Clopton -
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Post by maat on Apr 18, 2008 0:19:19 GMT
Re: the chakras... I was taken on a tour of one of mine once. It was cone shaped as in the usual illustrations, but there were two colours, one the most beautiful rose colour which radiated from the spinal end outwards in a circular fashion, but it had flecks of gold spinning around here and there within the rose colour. It was really beautiful to watch. I knew this to be my heart chakra.
Upon checking I found that the heart chakra was green, so I was somewhat confused. It was only years later that I read that each chakra radiates the whole spectrum and the designated colours change depending on the point of viewing. (Sorry about that jumbled sentance, hard to explain).
Maat
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Post by maat on Apr 18, 2008 0:21:39 GMT
The Ancient Egyptians did NOT appear to consider others to be inferior on the basis of skin colour Proof positive that they were much more advanced than our society! Maat
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 18, 2008 0:26:33 GMT
So, basically, if anything was violet, indigo, blue, green, yellow, orange or red, one might say it corresponds to the Chakra of that colour and that: I see how it works now: How profound!? It was only years later that I read that each chakra radiates the whole spectrum and the designated colours change depending on the point of viewing. So one does not even have to limit one's self to particular shades of violet, indigo, blue, green, yellow, orange or red!!
Woo! Woo! It's open slather!?
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Post by hollandr on Apr 18, 2008 0:36:27 GMT
>I see how it works now
I am not sure how much seeing is involved.
But at the risk of stating the obvious it may be useful to distinguish the energy structures of the chakras from the intelligences that operate the chakras
Thus my comment above was not about the heart chakra itself but the nature spirit.
I reproduce it for convenience
>the colour of a healthy nature spirit of the heart chakra which is typically a new leaf green.
Confounding the intelligence with the body may make the discussion difficult
A similar situation arises if the human brain is not distinguished from the mind
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Post by Tamrin on Apr 18, 2008 0:41:09 GMT
But at the risk of stating the obvious it may be useful to distinguish the energy structures of the chakras from the intelligences that operate the chakras The same point applies. One can thereby relate anything to anything else, on the basis of any colour.
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