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Post by hollandr on May 1, 2008 23:40:51 GMT
It seems that some people dream in colour and some in black and white.
So:
- Do you dream in black and white?
- If so do you visualise in colour?
Or if you dream in colour:
- Did you previously dream in black and white - If so, was there a sudden or gradual change
And more generally:
- What is the significance of dreaming (or visualising) in black and white?
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Post by maat on May 2, 2008 0:48:15 GMT
Always in colour for me. Can't ever remember dreaming in black and white.
Maat
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Post by imakegarb on May 2, 2008 7:35:01 GMT
I've never met anyone, so far as I know, who dreams in black and white.
I recently had a set of dreams (over the course of several weeks) that was in shades of gray but there was color, ultimately.
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Post by hollandr on May 2, 2008 9:48:23 GMT
Dreaming in black and white is quite common
Also some cannot visualise in colour
The transition from shades of gray to colour is interesting. How does it occur?
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Post by leonardo on May 2, 2008 10:24:14 GMT
I have personally never, at least not to my recollection, dreamed in Black and White, nor, for that matter, met any who claim to have done.
Aside for anecdotal evidence is there anything more concrete to support this theory?
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Post by corab on May 2, 2008 11:24:26 GMT
Full colour for me on both counts.
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Post by hollandr on May 2, 2008 11:34:43 GMT
"Historically, no one ever believed dreams were in black and white. In fact, it wasn't until the late 1950s and early 1960s that the question came to be debated. The cause? People were beginning to watch a lot of black and white television in those days, and this made their dreams, on occasion, mimic the black and white worlds that people were seeing on their TVs at night."
I am a bit surprised that effect did not start with movies. They were black and white until the late 1930s. Perhaps there was a delayed effect.
"Research in the sleep lab has shown that most of our dreams are in color (70% to 83%), and that it is a matter of recall that results in such a low report of dream color, just as it is a matter of recall that we remember so few of our dreams which occupy about 25% of our sleep time at night."
And here is an intervention
""When I was a kid, I heard someone talking about black & white vs color dreams. I felt bad because I recalled most of my dreams in b & w. That night I dreamt of thousands of iridescent lizards running along by my room. I was really delighted and tried to collect as many a possible, commenting the whole time about the color."
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Post by leonardo on May 2, 2008 11:38:56 GMT
Russel, what is the source for these quotes?
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Post by hollandr on May 2, 2008 12:24:07 GMT
I just googled "dreams black and white"
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Post by leonardo on May 2, 2008 12:36:41 GMT
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Post by imakegarb on May 2, 2008 18:09:05 GMT
The series of dreams I had a few weeks back was the only time I ever dreamed in gray. I don't fully understand the mechanics of it. It occurred by finding a tree, in color, in the gray lands, with a door back to where I usually dream. I've not returned to the gray.
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Post by hollandr on May 2, 2008 21:27:28 GMT
>Googling I found the following which suggests there is no evidance we actually dream in black and white:
I had known of the issue for a while but what triggered the thread was a school teacher recounting a conversation with a young boy who can only visualise in black and white. For example whenever he visualises his father the image he gets is black and white
Perhaps those who assert no evidence do not collect eye witness accounts such as Karen's transitional experience of gray scales to colour.
So what theories can we develop to deal with the child who visualises in black and white and of the child wanting to dream in colour and then doing so?
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Post by leonardo on May 3, 2008 7:08:06 GMT
So, other than anecdotal there really is no actual evidence that people dream in black and white? I'd be interested to learn if any independent trials/tests were every carried out on this subject.
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Post by hollandr on May 3, 2008 10:25:04 GMT
>So, other than anecdotal there really is no actual evidence that people dream in black and white? Try this "Spontaneous non-laboratory dream reports (normal daily dream recall) indicate that only about 25% (Van De Castle) to 29% (Hall) of dreamers recall color (partial or full color)." www.dreamscience.org/articles/dream_color_and_emotion.htmSo those 2 reports give less than 30% of spontaneous dreams reported as having some colour. And then we get rationales about why so low - e.g. must have forgotten the colour. More importantly the qualities of the dream may be related to the colour or lack of it But eventually we rely on the dreamers and visualisers to tell us whether they see in colour. The laboratory tests still require the subjects to tell the truth Interestingly in the short heyday of the Golden Dawn, the applicants for Adeptus Minor had to visualise a temple set up in a particular way and the visualisation was directly inspected by an initiate to see if the candidate was skilful. After a few years the Golden Dawn seemed to have lost such initiates. But it does raise the possibility that what people say they see inwardly could be independently confirmed
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Post by maximus on May 3, 2008 11:41:55 GMT
Interestingly in the short heyday of the Golden Dawn, the applicants for Adeptus Minor had to visualise a temple set up in a particular way and the visualisation was directly inspected by an initiate to see if the candidate was skilful. After a few years the Golden Dawn seemed to have lost such initiates. But it does raise the possibility that what people say they see inwardly could be independently confirmed It's called the Astral temple, and it's still done.
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Post by hollandr on May 3, 2008 22:16:10 GMT
>It's called the Astral temple, and it's still done.
Are the instructors able to inspect the visualisation directly?
Do you want to identify the organisation?
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Post by hollandr on May 5, 2008 6:02:52 GMT
So, given we have some evidence that people dream in black/white/gray and in colour, what is the significance?
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Post by imakegarb on May 7, 2008 5:28:17 GMT
Well, I can't speak for others. However, a fellow who is in my dreams quite a lot later told me, among other things, that I'd wandered into a less developed part of my mind. And that it would, in time, fill in. Perhaps that's what we do when we dream in gray: wander in new paths of thinking. Or something else
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Post by maat on May 7, 2008 5:34:52 GMT
Talking of something else... On two occasions I knew I was dreaming but there were no visual images or colours, I just heard a very distinct full bodied male voice which spoke to me directly. Now that was interesting experience. Maat
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Post by hollandr on May 7, 2008 5:43:56 GMT
>wandered into a less developed part of my mind. And that it would, in time, fill in.
I think that is pretty good prediction.
I wonder if the part of the mind is a higher part and perhaps less used
>dreaming but there were no visual images or colours
No images might be an even earlier stage than black and white
Could it be that clairaudience develops before clairvoyance?
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