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Post by maat on Jun 30, 2008 4:12:21 GMT
Maat Those are reasonable interpretations. Is there any means to test the interpretations if you wanted to use them to advise someone? Not that I know of. Like lodge, the interpretations of signs, symbols, stories remains with the person viewing them. Both faith and fear can cause you to take refuge behind a rock. Hiding place or Rock of Ages? I only tried interpreting them from a world view because thats how you thought of them. Personally, I am surprised your mum would be worried about a world recession - I guess if it mean't you would lose your house or business she would get involved. I normally would have thought the dream a personal one. Maat
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Post by hollandr on Jun 30, 2008 4:40:27 GMT
>Like lodge, the interpretations of signs, symbols, stories remains with the person viewing them.
I like to think that there is some reality behind lodge work that would be consistently observed by trained witnesses
In the same way there may be a reality to dreams that can be uncovered.
I once conducted a week-long workshop that started on Saturday evening. The next day I asked the group of about 24 what they had dreamed. And after we went around the circle we found that everyone in the group had dreamed of or been dreamed of by others in the group.
Did the group meet out of the body over night? If so, the dream had a reality that a trained observer should have been able to detect
And I am sure that many forumites have had dreams come true.
That suggests to me that a protocol might be developed for interpretation and testing of dreams?
Cheers
Russell
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Post by maat on Jun 30, 2008 22:36:59 GMT
I guess lack of trained witnesses is the problem with the lodge work. Given that very few masons even recognise the inner side of lodge workings, I am supposing that trainers would be extremely rare. I would even suggest that they may have an adverse affect of lodge work.
When the student is ready, the teacher will appear - so goes the old saying. When the individual mason is ready, he must ask the question/s! Until he starts to recognise something which gives rise to the question, he is not ready to hear any number of answers about it.
I have been working with my dreams for years. I have not been disappointed. It is pretty easy to sort the wheat from the chaff, use your instinct/intuition.
Do you have something in mind? Why not develop your protocol here, I would be happy to be part of the experiment, and I think a few of our other members would be up for a bit of experimentation.
Maat
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Post by maat on Jul 1, 2008 2:22:32 GMT
I can imagine your mum wanting to warn you about this scenario, which involves, pole shifts, weather changes, ice melting, crust/core changes. Skip over the Bible and Cayce bits and go to the science part. Scary stuff. www.world-mysteries.com/sci_2.htmIt would certainly validate the amount of water said to cover the face of the Earth re the Noah Stories - something that raining for 40 days and 40 nights could not do. I guess it's Ayers Rock for us Russell? No laughing matter, I guess, but what can one do if one finds oneself in a rejuvenation programme? Don't think about it is my motto. Maat
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Post by hollandr on Jul 1, 2008 3:01:06 GMT
>It would certainly validate the amount of water said to cover the face of the Earth re the Noah Stories
Not to distract from the thread as I consider the water in my dreams symbolic, but the oceans are said to be around 500M years old and the planet about 4500M years.
So where was all that water for the first 4000M years?
And of course Ayers Rock (Uluru) is situated in a vast sedimentary semi-desert (laid down by ocean) so there may have been even more water at some stage
Perhaps the origin of the oceans could be a separate thread
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Post by maat on Jul 1, 2008 4:55:13 GMT
Not to distract from the thread as I consider the water in my dreams symbolic, Damn - I was having fun scaring them out of their britches... ah well. Back to the symbolic waters.
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Post by Tamrin on Jul 1, 2008 8:21:36 GMT
Damn - I was having fun scaring them out of their britches... ah well. Back to the symbolic waters.
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Post by maat on Jul 1, 2008 23:17:27 GMT
Damn - I was having fun scaring them out of their britches... ah well. Back to the symbolic waters. Good one Tamrin! ;D You are still the Image King, bar none. Maat
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Post by hollandr on Jul 17, 2008 23:59:35 GMT
I had a email today that included:
"like a wall of space debris just coming at the earth right now, about to move right through it. .....It will be disruptive. ................. And then there is another wave of that that hits around in November that really sort of bursts the truth forward about the way things really are. ..............So there has been kind of this, what I am going to call, mask or coating or denial energy, very very present and the illusion of paradise for many has been maintained "
This seems to be consistent with my dreams of waves washing over and people looking for a place to live afterwards.
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Post by lauderdale on Jul 18, 2008 0:09:22 GMT
Interesting Bro Russell. Many seers, prophets etc of bygone times and other cultures state that these next 5 years or so will see great forces abroad in the World. Whether to our ultimate advantage or detriment we will have to wait and see.
As William Butler Yeats put it, "And what rough beast his hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?".
I think the references to his hour come round is to the Precession of the Equinoxes (A slow conical motion of the earth's axis about the vertical to the plane of the ecliptic, having a period of 26,000 years, caused by the attractive force of the sun, moon, and other planets on the equatorial protuberance of the earth; it results in a gradual westward motion of the equinoxes. ) Are we at a significant point in that precession?
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Post by hollandr on Jul 18, 2008 0:55:59 GMT
From my perspective, much of the intensity arises from a change in consciousness of the Solar Logos inducing a major change in the consciousness of the Earth System and its attendant species such as humans
Or to put it another way: Instant karma's gonna get you
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Post by maximus on Jul 18, 2008 4:20:00 GMT
I think the references to his hour come round is to the Precession of the Equinoxes (A slow conical motion of the earth's axis about the vertical to the plane of the ecliptic, having a period of 26,000 years, caused by the attractive force of the sun, moon, and other planets on the equatorial protuberance of the earth; it results in a gradual westward motion of the equinoxes. ) Are we at a significant point in that precession? OMG! Steve resorted to (GASP!) science to support his position!
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Post by Tamrin on Jul 18, 2008 10:11:45 GMT
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Post by hollandr on Jun 16, 2009 2:45:39 GMT
I have had a third ominous dream. The previous two were about floods overwhelming people and I interpreted that at the time to refer to the coming financial tsunami. So far those interpretations seem to be on track.
Anyway in the latest dream I was in a city and needed to get out and was walking to my car parked some distance away.
The streets were packed with thousands of people walking to get out of the city. There were so many that no cars were moving and the trains overloaded.
I moved with the crowd until we found the road blocked by police and we had to turn left. Some time later that road was also blocked and we had to divert left. After various blocked roads I lost my sense of direction but rather suspected that the crowd had been driven around a loop and was never going to get out of the city.
Then the dream changed (or I can't remember some) and I was on a bus travelling along a pleasant coast and I left the bus at a small town in the extreme north of New Zealand where there were few people and a city councillor interviewed me and filled out a form applying for support. (I had only the clothes I stood in plus my wallet with IDs etc)
This dream has a similar structure to the 2 previous: widespread problem for humanity but my situation turns out ok.
As first interpretation, I suspect that with economic depression a lot of people to attempt to leave the cities but it will not be easy to do. What will happen at that point will be interesting to observe and will need careful management.
Cheers
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Post by maat on Jun 16, 2009 3:40:17 GMT
This dream has a similar structure to the 2 previous: widespread problem for humanity but my situation turns out ok. Trying to get out of cities might have something to do with a plague type thingy rather than a financial one, don't you think? Situations turning out ok reminded me of a 'significant' dream I had once.... years ago, and I can still see every detail. In that dream I had been taken captive by cohorts of the very devil himself. To cut a long story short, I was so terrified that I gave myself over the Holy Mother as my only hope. In an instant I was 'elsewhere', then subjected to two more perilous (lesser) situations, but on each occasion I was removed from danger by the unseen. I have a quiet inner confidence now that I never had before the dream. It was with a great deal of interest that I read just in the last week that Isis has some helpers who act as shields (?) for those who invoke her help. In the dream though I used the name Mary Maat
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Post by generatics on Jul 6, 2009 21:11:12 GMT
this topic is fascinating. i've always been troubled by my dreams. very, very frequently i have what i would call ominous dreams. they almost always take place in a crumbling, dilapidated setting. usually a town with shanty buildings, garbage everywhere etc. ha think "Eraserhead". and generally disturbing stuff tends to take place. one that sticks out in my mind: a recurring dream where i am able to remove the thumb and meaty part of my hand. it's attached with a sort of metal peg and i think i just look at it and put it back. man, that sounds really out there. i swear i'm normal when i'm awake! never have been able to figure out what it all means though.
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Post by maat on Jul 8, 2009 0:57:05 GMT
a recurring dream where i am able to remove the thumb and meaty part of my hand. it's attached with a sort of metal peg and i think i just look at it and put it back. man, that sounds really out there. Hands symbolise creative building among other things. You dream of the thumb, which is the opposition finger, and the palm, which is the receiving part of the hand, so dreaming of bringing these two together might indicate an openness and ability to try new things. Bringing them together attached to something outside yourself may not be quite so good. Metal can be cold, though malleable, and is a potent symbol of strength and character. A peg could represent the pole about which your life revolves. I see a possibility that you might be repressing your creative talent because you focus all of your energy in other (less productive) areas. I think you know this already. Take a risk. Channel your energy into something creative. Take a thought or idea and build upon it. See what happens. NB - Symbols are personal things, I have interpreted the dream according to what the symbols say to me. Maat
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Post by paulh on Jul 8, 2009 2:20:01 GMT
never have been able to figure out what it all means though. Could the dilapidated surroundings and the half-human half-mechanical hand mean that it is time to reinvent your life and relationships?
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Post by maat on Jul 8, 2009 3:15:37 GMT
I had the more personal aspects of life in mind also..
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Post by generatics on Jul 8, 2009 3:40:44 GMT
maat: wow. just um, wow. thanks. you kind of hit the nail on the head there. i have been struggling with several projects, all of which are in creative spaces. i have been building a small business around one of my passions and even though people are loving the work i have done thus far, recently sunk into a defeatist funk and have been thinking about throwing in the towel. last week i put on a suit and interviewed for a desk job (gasp!) which i so totally do not even want. i really need to focus on listening to the old gut on this one. thanks, big time. that's really pretty darn impressive. and i'm not easily impressed. @paulh: perhaps. ha my problem could be that i am perpetually reinventing my life. i have tons of ideas and i tend to get quite excited about them and wind up with a very full plate and several half-finished things. lately i've been trying to be more perceptive about what "works" and put my energy toward those, both in work and my personal life. last night i had yet another completely weird one that's been messing with me all day. to summarize: there i am, living in some seriously filthy hovel. just this disgusting little shack with garbage everywhere. and of all things, a bird. looked like some kind of big gray parrot or something at times. anyway a large part of the mess of this place was due to this bird was going to the bathroom all over the place. it was on everything. i spent a bit of time try to clean the house and then i remember really struggling to get an area on the bed clean enough for me to sleep in. then i finally am able to get this bed clean so i could somehow fall asleep with the lights on in this awful place. i remember distinctly the idea of the clean bed as being a real sanctuary amidst all the horror going on in the rest of the room. i remember being so happy to pull the clean red blanket up over myself. then what happens? this bird hops up onto the bed and walks up my body. i'm screaming and yelling trying to shoo it away and its totally unphazed and silent, and then it takes a big you-know-what right on the bed! i scream and jump out of the bed and throw the blankets off and i think that's about when i woke up. what in the world could this possibly mean?! i've tried to look up the bits and pieces on some "dream dictionaries" online but who knows if they are anything useful or not. ha, i must really painting myself into the weirdo corner around here. wish i were making this stuff up but i don't think i could if i wanted to. here's to hoping tonight is a bit better.
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