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Post by droche on Jun 14, 2008 13:39:41 GMT
Well, I have to say, with all the trolling, baiting and deception that went on here I have never seen such a large group of people keep their heads and remain overall civil. Very impressive and I will miss the thread for that reason, but I suppose everything reaches a point of diminishing returns.
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Post by elshamah on Jun 14, 2008 16:52:52 GMT
It has become clear that 'elshamah' is happy to lie, decieve and be dishonest to achieve what he thinks is right. Not exactly the behaviour I would expect from a christian Ok. I am only one person. Apologize is on place. Otherwise , i will not continue this thread. Angelo
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Post by elshamah on Jun 14, 2008 17:16:48 GMT
Ok. I am only one person. Apologize is on place. Otherwise , i will not continue this thread. Angelo Wow! An ultimatum from the collective calling themselves the MOAFG or "elshamah" for short. Good chess move! How else could the collective find an excuse for them to stop posting in such failure. Here's my response to their post: I certainly do believe all of them when they say they want an apology! BTW - The arrogance that I spoke of in my last post certainly does show glaring example in the collective's postings. I want to hold them to this. BUT, they have not shown themselves to be people of their word so, I suspect they will continue to post anyway. P ok. This is my last post. Each one, specially the one's , that call themself christians, and have followed this thread, and read, what i wrote, have responsability in face of all i have posted here. I have given light from God to them. I did not open this thread before prayed to God, to guide me to the people, he wanted me to talk to . So i came to this place in Jesus name. I have been called Legion, and have been insulted personally several times. Never mind. They have not insulted me, but the one, in which name i came - not only me , but also the God, i do serve, has been insulted, several times. It relies on the ones, that did so, and their conscience, to ask God for forgiveness for that. i wish all the best to all here, and hope sincerly, that at least one does think seriously about the facts, i have presented , and comes to the conclusion, that it is absolutely not admissible, that a servant of God does accept close broterhood with a organisation , that has as a big majority, unbelievers, and goals, that are not in the interest of the God of the bible, but in the interest of a other God, which is the God of this world. Angelo
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 14, 2008 18:57:24 GMT
It has become clear that 'elshamah' is happy to lie, decieve and be dishonest to achieve what he thinks is right. Not exactly the behaviour I would expect from a christian Ok. I am only one person. Apologize is on place. Otherwise , i will not continue this thread.
AngeloI agree an apology is 'on place,' while Elshamah has demonstrated by his inconsistent English (sometimes fluent and at other times barely comprehensible) that more than one person has been posting under the one username, that is not the only instance of lying, deceit and dishonesty by the Legion of MOAFG, nor is it the most serious. There is no denying the deceit with which the thread was begun; the cleaving to lies, once shown to be lies; plagiarisms; dishonest translation; etc., etc. Please come back one last time Elshamah and do your 'Christian' duty: Apologize.
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Post by billmcelligott on Jun 14, 2008 19:23:38 GMT
Submission to Rulers and Masters 1 Peter 2 13Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, 14or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15For it is God's will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men. 16Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God. 17Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.
18Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19For it is commendable if a man bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because he is conscious of God. 20But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. 21To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
22"He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth."[e] 23When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly. 24He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. 25For you were like sheep going astray, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.
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Post by penfold on Jun 14, 2008 19:51:51 GMT
ok. This is my last post. Promise? Each one, specially the one's , that call themself christians, and have followed this thread, and read, what i wrote, have responsability in face of all i have posted here. I have given light from God to them. No you havent! You brought a load of lies and falsehood, I am pretty sure that hatred and untruth is not from a divine source. I did not open this thread before prayed to God, to guide me to the people, he wanted me to talk to . So i came to this place in Jesus name. I have been called Legion, and have been insulted personally several times. Never mind. They have not insulted me, but the one, in which name i came - not only me , but also the God, i do serve, has been insulted, several times. It relies on the ones, that did so, and their conscience, to ask God for forgiveness for that. i wish all the best to all here, and hope sincerly, that at least one does think seriously about the facts, i have presented , and comes to the conclusion, that it is absolutely not admissible, that a servant of God does accept close broterhood with a organisation , that has as a big majority, unbelievers, and goals, that are not in the interest of the God of the bible, but in the interest of a other God, which is the God of this world. Angelo You came here in ignorance seeking light, light was offered, you chose to walk away from that light - moving ever more onwards thru the dark. You will not be missed Via con dios
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 14, 2008 21:06:45 GMT
You came here in ignorance seeking light, light was offered, you chose to walk away from that light - moving ever more onwards thru the dark.
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 14, 2008 21:28:29 GMT
You came here in ignorance seeking light, light was offered, you chose to walk away from that light - moving ever more onwards thru the dark. Augustin M., Lith. Fourquemin, La Maçonnerie Secourant L’Humanité (Masonry Helping Humanity), Paris, chez Kiener, Place Maubert, 41. Courtesy The Masonic Library and Museum of Pennsylvania I'm pretty sure Elshamah could relate to the scowling 'Silas' type character (Dan Brown), on the left, in shadow and with his back to the light, skulking away and clutching a stiletto.
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Post by hollandr on Jun 14, 2008 21:53:38 GMT
>The penalty (imposed by El or Yahweh ) was that the gods were deprived of their divinity and had to die like people .
The statement is not supported in two respects:
- the Psalm nowhere says that the gods are deprived of their divinity - the Psalm nowhere says that Elohim (Yahweh) did it
But I can see that it is a convenient belief to maintain the importance of the Yahweh to his followers and it may be that the writer of the Psalm wished to encourage that belief by juxtaposing the unproven accusation that the other gods were unjust.
And we have still to have no attempt to resolve the issue of whether Yahweh is also a son of the Most High
If so, then surely worship should be of the Most High?
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Post by hollandr on Jun 14, 2008 22:00:50 GMT
As far as multiple posters I suspect 3 at least:
- Angelo who does not have much knowledge and restricts himself to accusations of satanism but finds himself out of his depth and invites a friend
- the friend can do internet searches but is unable to understand the superficiality of what he (?) finds and finds himself out of his depth and calls a friend
- friend2 is much more sophisticated in his understanding of the OT but does not really understand much about the gods so finds himself out of his depth and has no friend to call
So what next: how about being offended and running off?
Friend2, if you want to have a constructive discussion I am willing and I do not wish to insult Christianity as the Christ that Paul knows, I too know and respect
Cheers
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 14, 2008 23:26:27 GMT
the bible is not a book which teaches mathematics, but reveals God to us, and his will.
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 14, 2008 23:34:07 GMT
Only this presumtion that freemasonry is able to improve men, is a heresy.
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 14, 2008 23:35:53 GMT
TOO FUNNY!
(I knew something wasn't adding up!)
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 14, 2008 23:36:01 GMT
888: Lucky among the Chinese and significant in Fraternal Studies, representing the 8 Hour Day Movement
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 15, 2008 0:46:55 GMT
Two lessons I had reinforced:
Never debate a fool, for the audience won't know who he is.
The religious right are neither.
One lesson I hope the Elshamah have learnt:
Seek first to understand, then to influence.
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Post by billmcelligott on Jun 15, 2008 1:01:47 GMT
A picture says a thousand words.
Not a thousand pictures ?
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Post by corab on Jun 15, 2008 21:26:00 GMT
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Post by sid on Jun 15, 2008 21:43:49 GMT
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Post by corab on Jun 15, 2008 21:49:53 GMT
Whatever they like, their devious intent has been most excellently demonstrated on TFM just now.
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Post by sid on Jun 15, 2008 21:59:02 GMT
Whatever they like, their devious intent has been most excellently demonstrated on TFM just now. I did another search and came up with the following: -------------------------------------------------------------- elshamah.com.br/Estará no ar dentro de alguns dias... Deus te abençoe! Envie-nos um e-mail. pastormarlon@oi.com.br <pastor marlon @ oi.com.br> pastormarlon@oi.com.br pastormarlon@oi.com.br elshamah.com.br/Igreja Batista El Shamah. URL adrianogama@oi.com.br www.iglesiareformada.com/iglesias.html#anchor_30www.mds.gov.br/suas/inscricoes_confirmadas.doc/download. (if the link does not open do a search with: adrianogama @oi.com.br 82 RR Rede SUAS RONALDO ADRIANO GAMA DE SOUZA ronaldo_rr@msn.com marceloarmando@oi.com.br <marceloarmando@oi.com.br>
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