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Post by hollandr on Jun 17, 2008 23:33:28 GMT
>a black bird came down and sat on my left shoulder, it whispered in my ear "Be still, and listen".
In the nordic tradition crows are messengers of the gods
And I think it is Siegfried who having tasted the blood of the dragon (dweller on the threshold?) is able to understand the language of the birds
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Post by maat on Jun 18, 2008 1:25:42 GMT
Er... silly question I know, but does the language of the birds sound anything like cicadas? -Maat
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Post by maat on Jun 18, 2008 1:28:18 GMT
Just found this elsewhere ... re silence
I must profess I know enough to hold my tongue, but not enough to speak ; and the no less real than miraculous fruits I have found in my diligent inquiry into these arcana, lead me on to such degrees of admiration, they command silence, and force me to hold my tongue. - Elias Ashmole (one of founders of modern day Masonry).
Maat
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Post by hollandr on Jun 18, 2008 1:32:35 GMT
>does the language of the birds sound anything like cicadas? The language of birds is code for a spiritual understanding en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_the_birdsAnd on a dense level it is likely that with some effort it is possible to understand what bird twitter means
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Post by maat on Jun 18, 2008 3:43:46 GMT
Reading you link, I discovered the the language is also known as the green language. I did a bit of a check on that and here is something really interesting, especially as we have been discussing DNA recently. Reading the Green Language of Light by Vincent Bridges www.jwmt.org/v1n4/readlight.htmlMaat
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Post by hollandr on Jun 18, 2008 5:01:19 GMT
I suggest that there are some dense interpretations.
It may be necessary to return to the source and consider why it is the language of "birds".
"Be still and listen" is not necessary to the green language
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Post by maat on Jun 18, 2008 6:10:58 GMT
Possible clues...
SHABD - Sound Current vibrating in all creation. It can be heard by the inner ears. It is termed by Mohammedans as Bang-i-Asmani and among the Hindus as Shruti, variously known as Nad, Word, Naam, Bang-i-Ilahi, Sarosha and the like.
NAAM—The Creative Power-of-God, variously called Vak-Devi, Sruti or Sraosha by ancients, Nad or Akash Bani by Hindus, the holy Word by Christians, Kalma or Kalam-i-Qadim by Muslims, and Naam or Akhand Kirtan by Sikh Gurus. Being an emanation from the Supreme Being, it reveals the Divine Will to man.
Apparently our bodies are the receivers, our consciousness is the tuner, and the sounds occurr at an astral level, which is why we must be quiet to hear it. Just a thought.
Maat
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 18, 2008 8:22:16 GMT
It was then that a black bird came down and sat on my left shoulder, it whispered in my ear "Be still, and listen". Clem Abbott
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 18, 2008 8:35:47 GMT
Possible clues...
SHABD - Sound Current vibrating in all creation. It can be heard by the inner ears. It is termed by Mohammedans as Bang-i-Asmani and among the Hindus as Shruti, variously known as Nad, Word, Naam, Bang-i-Ilahi, Sarosha and the like.
NAAM—The Creative Power-of-God, variously called Vak-Devi, Sruti or Sraosha by ancients, Nad or Akash Bani by Hindus, the holy Word by Christians, Kalma or Kalam-i-Qadim by Muslims, and Naam or Akhand Kirtan by Sikh Gurus. Being an emanation from the Supreme Being, it reveals the Divine Will to man.
Apparently our bodies are the receivers, our consciousness is the tuner, and the sounds occurr at an astral level, which is why we must be quiet to hear it. Just a thought.
Maat This reminds me of a Theosopical lecture where the speaker said that Tinnitus was the sound of the on-going creation, the very voice of God. As one continually 'blessed' with this 'voice,' I say, ' if it be possible, let this cup pass from me' (Matt. 26:39)
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Post by chriswitt on Jun 18, 2008 10:35:22 GMT
A book I read, Clan Of The Cave Bear by Jean M. Auel, centres around an ancient clan whose method of communication was via sign language due to their vocal chords not being sufficiently developed.
They were a highly spiritual group with many rituals.
I wonder how able they were to listen.
How would their thoughts be constructed?
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Post by hollandr on Jun 18, 2008 11:24:52 GMT
>How would their thoughts be constructed?
Chris
It may be possible to think without words - for example in concepts - or even in a sensory mode exploring the realities of the noosphere
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 18, 2008 11:36:54 GMT
The limits of my language mean the limits of my world. Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus (1922) Albeit, the older Wittgenstein moderated that view
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Post by imakegarb on Jun 18, 2008 16:07:18 GMT
Hmmmmm. Maybe it's the sound of birds blending with the dreams thread but . . .
A few weekends ago, when I was down in the San Francisco area doing research, I woke in our hotel room and could hear the BF snoring beside me. As I dozed off again, I noticed his snoring formed words. So long as I didn't pay any particular attention, the words made sense. As soon as I listened, the words became snoring again.
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Post by maat on Jun 18, 2008 22:48:18 GMT
Now I find that really interesting.... really!! Never heard of it before but I have tucked it away for future reference.
One thought that springs to mind is the old sand on metal and violin bow experiment... the sand forms visual patterns, rather like snow flakes.
It is not that much different to see that the vibration of the snoring could form auditory patterns in like manner. It seems that in the more subtle worlds our peripheral vision sees more focused vision, maybe the same goes for our peripheral hearing?
Maat
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Post by maat on Jun 27, 2008 6:35:40 GMT
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Post by awaitedmehdi on Jul 11, 2008 2:05:50 GMT
i didnt graduate from oxford but i think,
HEAR: to be telled about it
SEE: to go it and look and examine
BE: to know it and plant it in yourself
SILENT: to observe it in your own mind and studied and untill you are sure that you really know what it is
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Post by maat on Jul 16, 2008 23:34:29 GMT
i didnt graduate from oxford but i think, HEAR: to be telled about it SEE: to go it and look and examine BE: to know it and plant it in yourself SILENT: to observe it in your own mind and studied and untill you are sure that you really know what it is I have a big grin on my face awaitedmehdi.. Russell was recently making the point that all of what we think does not necessarily originate with us, or even from other visible sources. How many truly original thoughts do we really have? How many of us observe our selves? (or even recognise them?) Maat
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Post by eamonvt on Jan 17, 2012 22:12:08 GMT
It has been said that a knowledgeable man will walk into the woods, hear the birds singing and name them. A wise man will walk into the woods, hear the birds singing and listen to their song. We hear and we see. We interpret and judge too often (and often too quickly). Sometimes hearing and seeing are enough. Too little do we think on what we have seen and heard before commenting. Listen and learn. It's a very old axim.
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Post by ricardo on Jan 30, 2012 10:26:18 GMT
A bird does not sing because it has an answer. It sings because it has a song.
(said to be an old Chinese proverb)
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Post by billmcelligott on Jan 30, 2012 15:46:52 GMT
Great those Fortune Cookies
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