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Post by Tamrin on Sept 11, 2008 8:37:45 GMT
I believe we ourselves exist as patterned energies that can both recognize other patterns and be influenced by other patterned energies.
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 11, 2008 8:47:07 GMT
I am sure some here do propose alternative explanations for the interesting experiences of others
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 11, 2008 8:49:56 GMT
...and thereby avoid having to investigate further.
I would be most interested in receiving some reports on the psychological processes involved.
Is there some relief from having explained away?
If so, what is the part that is relieved? And if not, ....? BTW, I do investigate further: My comments are the result of my investigations thus far. If you want to receive some reports of the psychological processes involved, I suggest starting with Jung.
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Post by corab on Sept 11, 2008 11:37:31 GMT
Tamrin, this is awesome -- where does it come from?
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Post by corab on Sept 11, 2008 11:51:08 GMT
Hi Russell, Is there some relief from having explained away? If so, what is the part that is relieved? I find great relief in explaining my experiences away. It is, however, short lived, and the unshakeable knowledge that something happened or is going on that is beyond the measurable, beyond the explicable will return without fail; strengthened by its temporary respite from my continuous efforts to quell it. I too hold on to Jung for sanity, but like Tamrin says -- albeit most likely in a different context and interpretation -- Jung's theories fall short when it comes to what I can only describe as the true experience. I don't know how to answer your question re specifically what part is relieved. I do not relate to parts; I relate to the whole. When I am successful in convincing myself of some measurable justification or other, the relief sweeps through me like a tidal wave; doubt following immediately in its wake. I know when I'm trying to convince myself of something that is not true -- just like I know when that which I am given *is* true. h.g.w., Cora
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 11, 2008 11:53:00 GMT
Tamrin, this is awesome -- where does it come from?
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 11, 2008 12:02:09 GMT
It is, however, short lived, and the unshakeable knowledge that something happened or is going on that is beyond the measurable, beyond the explicable will return without fail; strengthened by its temporary respite from my continuous efforts to quell it. As Slartybarfast said to Arthur Dent on the planet Magrathea, " That's just ordinary paranoia. Everyone has that." (Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy)
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Post by hollandr on Sept 11, 2008 12:38:06 GMT
> I do not relate to parts; I relate to the whole. When I am successful in convincing myself of some measurable justification or other, the relief sweeps through me like a tidal wave; doubt following immediately in its wake.
If you convince yourself, does that not suggest two actors present?
Does one of those actors feel relieved while the other feels doubt from the same event?
What might those actors be?
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 11, 2008 12:57:46 GMT
If you convince yourself, does that not suggest two actors present?
Does one of those actors feel relieved while the other feels doubt from the same event?
What might those actors be? Two aspects of one's self — Classic Jung
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Post by corab on Sept 11, 2008 16:49:17 GMT
What might those actors be? That, my friend, is not something I feel comfortable discussing in public, but I trust you have a fair idea.
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 12, 2008 1:30:27 GMT
What might those actors be? I suggest this question assumes a perspective of plurality and division. Another perspective is that of the One Mind, the One Life: The Mystic Tie, uniting all that is.
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Post by hollandr on Sept 12, 2008 2:59:33 GMT
>this question assumes a perspective of plurality and division.
As we know the human is a lodge in his or herself. And the officers within may yet be learning their lines.
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 12, 2008 4:32:29 GMT
As we know [!?] the human is a lodge in his or herself. And the officers within may yet be learning their lines. From the perspective of the One Life, there are aspects or expressions of the one-self. For instance, our physical body may be equivalent to The Lodge Tyler (which is the only aspect to be perceived from outside the Lodge). The Inner Guard can represent the etheric body, on which the physical is structured (the IG also functions as the "dweller on the threshold," one's first, apparently menacing impression of the inner world). The Junior and Senior Deacons can represent the lower intellect and emotions respectively. And the three principal officers can represent three aspects of the one universal self, at the core of each of us: Wisdom, Strength and Beauty, if you will, or wisdom, intent (purpose) and inclination (love), etc. This experience is common to all humans and, to a degree, to all sentient beings, it extends beyond the personal and can be mutually shared by all who cross that inner threshold.
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 12, 2008 4:39:17 GMT
If you convince yourself, does that not suggest two actors present? When shopping and faced with making a decision, do the choices represent a plurality within the person choosing or a plurality of options?
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 12, 2008 4:56:48 GMT
Is there some relief from having explained away? Are you suggesting those who prefer to follow reason rather than you are somehow in avoidance? Or, as you and Maat have suggested before, that they are somehow fearful? If so, I suggest you first address your own avoidance and fears.
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Post by hollandr on Sept 13, 2008 8:24:44 GMT
>do the choices represent a plurality within the person choosing or a plurality of options?
Often the choice expresses an internal multiplicity - for example in buying chocolate:
- better not to buy any since it is fattening and has too much sugar and stimulants - better to buy a cheaper brand to save money - better to buy a higher quality to increase enjoyment
So which inner parts of the human espouse which paths of action? Why?
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 13, 2008 9:32:03 GMT
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Post by cosmicthought on Sept 13, 2008 18:07:56 GMT
I had this same problem when in contact with masculine Mason's,i felt more comfortable with LDH Bretheren...but in my humble opinion it is do to Consciousness ...people can only shine the light that they have and the brain can not teach what it does not know!
Swami Kriyananda wrote, "Through concentration on the spiritual eye, the consciousness gradually becomes attuned to the subtle rate of vibration of… light. At last one's consciousness, too, takes on the quality of light."
It is also extremely beneficial to visualize the spiritual eye and feel that it is your true reality. Paramhansa Yogananda said, "Just behind the darkness of closed eyes shines the light of God."
Right before processional i close my eyes to center my consciousness at the point between the eyebrows...what you will be doing, in fact, is focusing more and more of the brain's energy there,The greater this concentration of energy at that point, the more powerfully that portion of the brain will be stimulated and awakened, and the more profound will be your spiritual awareness.
Fraternally
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 13, 2008 21:25:58 GMT
Well said.
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Post by hollandr on Sept 13, 2008 22:10:14 GMT
>At last one's consciousness, too, takes on the quality of light.
So is the answer to the question of the thread: Lack of spiritual practice?
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