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Post by KNOs1s on Sept 23, 2010 17:43:32 GMT
You are actually travelling into an area where I may have vastly differing views, and do not see it as an (as Kierkegaard places it) 'Either/Or' situation. I am not greatly familiar with the case you mention, nor am I greatly interested. Plainly, if the man was a pimp, I consider that on the level of 'slave-owner', and have a different viewpoint there. Those who have received less than a modicum of guidance have done very well, and those who have received an extreme portion have done very poorly. Sometimes, a fall from grace works to the benefit of an individual, and sometimes not falling creates monsters. It's 'six of one or a half-dozen of another'. Personally, my greatest teachers have arrived from contemplation (some may say 'meditation'). I'm an extremely private individual, so have had to rely on my own opinions to interpret impressions from the outer.
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Post by sammy on Sept 23, 2010 18:42:36 GMT
I actualy am on the same page with your views, but if peace as a whole is to be met it has to be confronted. If the mind-set is grace means your alive, then the placement would be "what it would take" to bring them out of it. Im not saying this should be so in this case, but only because of the reality of our situation. We cannot support what is weak, because we leave it no foundation. Personaly I dont care either he did what he did and people are gonna do what they do. As you said contemplating is a due course, and I use it to determine the issue of how to deal with crime without being a hypocritical standard. I just wonder if things were how people want it toward common divergance, how would we deal with our common crimes?
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Post by KNOs1s on Sept 23, 2010 19:23:37 GMT
To confuse the concepts of law and justice as being the same thing in all instances is error (and I take note that is not what you are saying). Every case (in a court of law I speak of) should be judged, in human terms, with an eye toward justice. Justice does not mean attention to the letter of the law, which often serves justice, yet sometimes is in error. As for this individual, it is up to those in his church to treat him and, more importantly, his position in the church as they see fit; after all legal matters are satisfied. If I ever find myself on Death Row for a crime I committed, a situation I cannot currently imagine, yet the most important thing remains that I am true to myself. If I truly committed the crime, I hope I would stand up and fully disclose my activities that put me on the path, and accept the just penalty alloted to me. In many cases, I think the court system in this country is weighted too heavily on the benefit of the doubt for those who have proven they are beyond such benefits. As for 'common crimes', I believe they should be dealt with the same as uncommon crimes-again noting that justice and law do not always meet in the center. If we dealt more on helping those who want help to reform, if possible and just, that would be the best way. Currently, our justice system is geared toward punishment as opposed to reform, which I think the two ought to be synthesized. Unfortunately, the prisons are largely in private hands now, making it also a market-driven matter-the worst place for justice to be, in my opinion. Prisons now, even if they do not do so, have the opportunity to keep an individual incarcerated with profit motives.
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Post by sammy on Sept 23, 2010 21:27:58 GMT
Very insightfull Knos thanks for adding your thoughts. I agree a punishment outlook has been taken being the easiest to execute and also to explain. It leaves little to the reform as you said, since the motivation is what they will lack. It seems to work out for famous people though, neither changing thier attitude nor giving them consequence (to the normal extremities). As you also said the money is being paid and that seems to be the desired outcome. I had no idea prisons were largely under private ownership, I figured they were paid for and funded by the counties or countries but I guess that doesnt offer much support these days so that makes sense. Seems like its kinda luck of the draw if you end up in a prison willing to offer realistic corrections.
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Post by Zita on Sept 24, 2010 0:00:23 GMT
Some are not aware of the inner worlds because they laugh at those that even claim it exists. This inner world is what builds their outer world. The whole point of Freemasonry is to help the Brn to come to an understanding of how this all works.
The 'Blue lodge' is giving guidance to the physical world experience and the building works therein. The 'Red lodge' is informing you of how the inner worlds work - something you might well take notice of as you will find yourself therein after death. (Hint - Chapter means head).
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Post by twashington111 on Oct 12, 2010 2:32:30 GMT
"It's true " when you open the lodge and pray to the G.A.O.T.U for assistance you can sense a presence of entites in the mist and a serenity of some sort that embeds itself within the lodge[mind]. Only and only for those that believe!!!
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Post by KNOs1s on Oct 12, 2010 3:05:55 GMT
Individual experience alone proves nothing to anyone aside from the individual.
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Post by Zita on Oct 26, 2010 2:53:26 GMT
True.
In Freemasonry we are told something is lost. Are you not going to look for it, or even follow those that trod the path before you and think they might have found something?
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Post by ruffashlar on Dec 17, 2010 15:00:40 GMT
Or in other words, in the terms of the topic's original question, Why are some not aware of the inner worlds? - oh, maybe because many proponents sound like they are all bloody loonies, maybe? D'ye think???
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Post by maximus on Dec 17, 2010 19:21:29 GMT
Or in other words, in the terms of the topic's original question, Why are some not aware of the inner worlds? - oh, maybe because many proponents sound like they are all bloody loonies, maybe? D'ye think??? Bingo, Ruff!
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Post by 1wizardstone on Jan 3, 2011 6:17:01 GMT
Hmmm... The door is shut because they have preconceived notions and expect something in particular. Another is that they are still stuck in the material world- all that becomes false value in a program that is also inherently false in reference to the inner and higher.
Emotional reaction is such a downfall. The self that is false is to be observed and not to become the defense trigger for the ego or pride.... IMO.
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Post by rembrandt on Jan 3, 2011 6:21:08 GMT
To whom do you speak then, only those that don't exist? People are emotional and rational beings. Maybe wacked out ideas are not the best vehicle for communicating the ideas.
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Post by 1wizardstone on Jan 4, 2011 2:16:11 GMT
Another reason for OP's question is becouse many people are taught that inner worlds don't exist or it is a loony, dark or cultish practice. Just sharing my opinion.
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Post by sammy on Jan 11, 2011 15:53:27 GMT
I think everyone is just scared of being labled crazy, since yes it does appear so. This is due to it being so, the experience is individual and this makes it outside others realm of reality "were all different". We all have learned to control our unknown side in the company of others, because we fear how our outerself is percieved. I just stopped caring about how my outerself was seen a long time ago because of my bullied past, but this gave me a unique perspective on what was happening that brought it about. Being able to express yourself in a way that is accepted by others is a great step for bringing people together on common ground. We are too good at slanting that ground so most only see a horizen, and there has to be someway for us to figure this out and relieve the giant ball of stress and anxiety thats been building since the ancients. Then again im well off my rocker and would willingly be first to admit insanity HAHA
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Post by jimnicholson on Jun 5, 2011 1:32:52 GMT
Bro Chris, I found exactly the same and that was one of the main reasons I left UGLE Freemasonry and joined LDH where such statements would be totally accepted and even by some taken as a given. I did find a few Brethern such as yourself in UGLE who understood such matters, especially those in the Higher Degrees but, they were the minority and yes I also found some for whom a "Belief in a Supreme Being" was not sincere but something to which they paid lip service to gain admission, possibly because they had no knowledge of GOdF which has no such requirement or that they wanted to join what the man in the street perceives to be "The Masons" - in England UGLE. It is always a do it yourself proposition. Two people will look at the same thing and each will see something different. The Law is this: he who seeketh findeth. Perhaps one of the greatest mysteries is that all we ever see is ourself. Upgrade one's own operating system and guess what: you see a whole new array of things which were already in front of you... Neo: "Ouch, my eyes... They hurt." Morpheus: "That's because you've never used them... "
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Post by jimnicholson on Jun 5, 2011 1:55:52 GMT
Hmmm... The door is shut because they have preconceived notions and expect something in particular. Another is that they are still stuck in the material world- all that becomes false value in a program that is also inherently false in reference to the inner and higher. Emotional reaction is such a downfall. The self that is false is to be observed and not to become the defense trigger for the ego or pride.... IMO. It all has to do with tuning a radio. Certain broadcasts are going on all the time -- its just that they are at a different frequency which the receiving set does not yet possess. The primary "inner world" to be concerned with is the LIFE GRID or SPIRIT for that is the mainframe that all of life passes thru and is busy molding and shaping forms so that they will eventually become a more perfect expression. Lost in the sea of individuality one can perhaps consider a multitude of "worlds," however the Great Spirit operates on one solid frequency but we must engage the "carrier wave" to become in RESONANCE with It. This is a simple thing actually in that IF our intentions toward all life forms is to uplift, inspire and revere them -- we are going to be heading toward being "on that frequency." The strong individualism which presents itself to the fastidious mind of the average Modern Individual however pulls AGAINST this innate urge to help life -- and one is then stuck between the pillars as it were -- rhythmically flowing from one to the other but not staying long enough on the Cosmic side for any real "shift" to occur within their awareness. However, in time -- and thru patient and persistent effort toward living right action to LIFE that sway will veer toward the Cosmic Side and gradually like an unfolding rose, the individual will come to knowthemself as a distinct component OF that SPIRIT which is within all -- seen and unseen. This LIFE though will test such a seeker from stem to stern to see if they are really intent on living such an upper path existence. There will be times of dismal sorrow and broken dreams -- and at the most unexpected moment a Break Thru will occur and the individual will come to know this SPIRIT, this LIFE WITHIN ALL FORMS which pervades all planes and worlds -- as a component of them SELF. Each piece of this journey begets more effort toward the next achievement as the Frequency is sought. Once the sensation and self seeking falls by the wayside as Earnest Service to this LIFE takes over with no more seeking for anything in return -- THEN is the big shift into the Inner Worlds seen and all of life is then like a multitudinous Library or data bank -- pouring information out from all sources -- books are no longer needed as the individual is then dealing with data flows which are ever ready to serve the Servant toward the Task at hand. And the entire journey starts with doing all those little un noticed things which help another without looking for anything in return... That is the sure footed pathway toward all phenomena seen as "inner worlds..."
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Post by maat on Jun 9, 2011 0:05:54 GMT
I think jimnicholson's post was one of the most beautiful I have read in a very long time and from my own personal experience, I have found that everything he said is true.
Thank you Jim.
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Post by 1wizardstone on Sept 27, 2011 2:43:11 GMT
O Hmmm... The door is shut because they have preconceived notions and expect something in particular. Another is that they are still stuck in the material world- all that becomes false value in a program that is also inherently false in reference to the inner and higher. Emotional reaction is such a downfall. The self that is false is to be observed and not to become the defense trigger for the ego or pride.... IMO. It all has to do with tuning a radio. Certain broadcasts are going on all the time -- its just that they are at a different frequency which the receiving set does not yet possess. The primary "inner world" to be concerned with is the LIFE GRID or SPIRIT for that is the mainframe that all of life passes thru and is busy molding and shaping forms so that they will eventually become a more perfect expression. Lost in the sea of individuality one can perhaps consider a multitude of "worlds," however the Great Spirit operates on one solid frequency but we must engage the "carrier wave" to become in RESONANCE with It. This is a simple thing actually in that IF our intentions toward all life forms is to uplift, inspire and revere them -- we are going to be heading toward being "on that frequency." The strong individualism which presents itself to the fastidious mind of the average Modern Individual however pulls AGAINST this innate urge to help life -- and one is then stuck between the pillars as it were -- rhythmically flowing from one to the other but not staying long enough on the Cosmic side for any real "shift" to occur within their awareness. However, in time -- and thru patient and persistent effort toward living right action to LIFE that sway will veer toward the Cosmic Side and gradually like an unfolding rose, the individual will come to knowthemself as a distinct component OF that SPIRIT which is within all -- seen and unseen. This LIFE though will test such a seeker from stem to stern to see if they are really intent on living such an upper path existence. There will be times of dismal sorrow and broken dreams -- and at the most unexpected moment a Break Thru will occur and the individual will come to know this SPIRIT, this LIFE WITHIN ALL FORMS which pervades all planes and worlds -- as a component of them SELF. Each piece of this journey begets more effort toward the next achievement as the Frequency is sought. Once the sensation and self seeking falls by the wayside as Earnest Service to this LIFE takes over with no more seeking for anything in return -- THEN is the big shift into the Inner Worlds seen and all of life is then like a multitudinous Library or data bank -- pouring information out from all sources -- books are no longer needed as the individual is then dealing with data flows which are ever ready to serve the Servant toward the Task at hand. And the entire journey starts with doing all those little un noticed things which help another without looking for anything in return... That is the sure footed pathway toward all phenomena seen as "inner worlds..." This post is very insightful and full of the truthes in which I can relate myself. Many people are not aware that they can move or create their outer world experiences simply from the inner world practices. They were never taught it and wouldn't understand it. Thanks for sharing....
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Post by boreades on Jan 16, 2012 21:41:26 GMT
I'm pleased that there is discussion about the spiritual aspect of masonry in this forum, because it's not something that gets mentioned much in Lodge, even in Lodge of Instruction. My understanding is that our Rituals are deliberately designed to encourage a raising of consciousness. In that they are similar to some forms of yoga.
I'm encouraged by authors like Robert Lomas and his book "Turning The Hiram Key" that there are more masons who feel like this, and really are looking for the hidden mysteries of nature and science.
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Post by matt on Jan 17, 2012 0:01:50 GMT
Interesting connection to yoga. Maybe you should start a new thread here about the connections you have found and how masonry is designed to encourage the raising of consciousness. Welcome to the forum, Brother.
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