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Post by maat on Dec 16, 2008 0:46:00 GMT
And the discussion of cats brings us back to geopathic stress....
Observing land and flow of energy within buildings is one way to identify the presence of geopathic stress. Indicators include:
Places where cats sleep ... they love geopathic stress Places dogs, horses, cows and pigs avoid ... they dislike geopathic stress
www.fengshuiconnections.com/geopathic-stress.html
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Post by maat on Dec 16, 2008 0:54:30 GMT
High crime areas, bad neighbors, wars, desecration (these areas may have higher ghost activity) often have a lot of geopathic stress.
I have a stress area cut across the corner of one of my rooms. You can actually feel it with the palm of the hands as you walk across it with palms down. Fortunately it is not where anyone spends a lot of time. But it is one of the areas where the cat likes to sleep.
Maat
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Post by maximus on Dec 16, 2008 4:01:44 GMT
They sleep more because thier metabolism is faster. Faster metabolism=more energy expended=more need for rest. Occam's Razor people. Sheep in pens, horses in stables and cows in barns sleep much more than when in open fields, and pet cats sleep extensively compared with feral cats.Any animal, or human, is going to sleep more soundly if in an environment where they feel secure...
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Post by maat on Dec 16, 2008 5:34:17 GMT
Sheep in pens, horses in stables and cows in barns sleep much more than when in open fields, and pet cats sleep extensively compared with feral cats. Any animal, or human, is going to sleep more soundly if in an environment where they feel secure... ..or bored, or depressed.
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Post by maat on Dec 16, 2008 5:47:56 GMT
Dr Prom
Spirit is pattern, nothing more, nothing less.
I thought a pattern was a design or system of markings, or a guide or a model. (dictionary). Who/What designs or determines the pattern?
We recognize spirit by its pattern and in truth, without pattern nothing would exist in time and space. But spirit does not require time/space to exist.
So pattern does not require time/space to exist? You say Spirit is pattern. Pattern is a non existent?
Maat
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Post by maat on Dec 16, 2008 5:59:22 GMT
Is the non existent pattern Intelligent/Intelligence?
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Post by whistler on Dec 16, 2008 17:22:49 GMT
"SPIRIT" is just a convenient word to use when you want to generically refer to a consciousness that is not physically on the earth plain. And yet, it's so much more... Certainly is - put an adjective before "spirit" you can make it what you like - Leave the word naked and you might find you end up with the point within a circle
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Post by maat on Dec 16, 2008 22:43:05 GMT
Good one Whistler!
I can also see a case for Spirit being represented by circumference, with the point within being manifested Creation.
There is another paradox, Spirit within, Spirit without. God 'looking' in, Good 'looking' out. A..H.. D.. H..
Maat
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Post by maat on Dec 16, 2008 23:12:35 GMT
Dear Dr Prom With all due respect... what a load of rubbish No words, no Word.. Whooops there goes the Word.. no more GA In our space/time frame words do exist. They are a tool which we use. Love exists. Trees exist (and make a sound when no-one else is around to hear them fall). Hot exists, cold exists, the Pillars at the Porch or entrance exist, I exist, you exist. I know if you put everything under a super microscope we all disappear.. so at another level outside of our normal consciousness, things (and non things) are different. But I think it is so different that we do not have the appropriate patterns/words to describe or even comprehend them. Imagine this - a cone passing through a flat plane in the two dimensional world. How would you (a) experience it (b) describe it? Imagine this - a cone passing through a flat plane in the three dimensional world. How would you (a) experience it (b) describe it? How the heck can we begin to understand, let alone describe something from a seven to seventy dimensional world. Words exist because we know that in many instances they are futile. Maat Drs love me... they take masochistic pleasure in 'trying to make me understand' ;D
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Post by maat on Dec 16, 2008 23:32:37 GMT
All a spore, which is the primary stage of a mushroom, needs to grow is basic organics and humidity. Asphalts is chocked full of basic organics. Your point? How much does a single mushroom weigh (mass) how hard is its covering? An asphalt driveway is how wide, how deep, how dense, surface tension etc etc. So I guess the question/s is/are - how can a single mushroom move a driveway? Does plant life have something that mineral life does not? If so what is it. Does plant life respond to Earth energies more so than mineral life? and we could continue long this line with: Does human life have something in common with plant life? Does human life respond more or less to Earth energies than plant life? This is a pushme/pullme contemplation Maat
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Post by paulh on Dec 17, 2008 0:06:32 GMT
the concept "word" does not exist outside of the human brain. I How do you know that? For example, the human mind may exist beyond the brain - thus allowing out of body experiences And the human mind may be the outer surface of the mind of the Creator I have heard that Sanskrit is a sacred language because the sounds made by the words produce subtle experiences of that which is named. That is, the word produces an energy field that corresponds to the object/quality/event being named. It seems however that only the enlightened are sufficiently sensitive to detect the reality created by the word Where then do words come from? Could it be that in the beginning was the word? Is that the word that was lost?
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Post by paulh on Dec 17, 2008 1:17:59 GMT
Perhaps you can provide some references that demonstrate scientifically that "the concept "word" does not exist outside of the human brain"
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Post by maat on Dec 17, 2008 2:46:08 GMT
Maat, the concept "word" does not exist outside of the human brain. It takes a human mind to cognate it. "Words" do not exist in nature, they are a construct, and, as Dr. P pointed out, it takes a pattern-recognition computer, i.e., our brain to recognise it. But, it takes training to recognise the symbol pattern that represents language. If a tree falls in the forest, and there is no one around to hear it, it makes a pattern of vibration, which, if there are no living beings nearby with the ability to transmit vibration into nerve impulses, which can be converted by a living brain, it makes no sound. I have a pretty amazing brain then...(don't we all). My living brain received a book title once in a foreign language.. title "Marie D'Huile". Only discovered about 10 years+ later that it is french for Marie/Mary of Oil. Anointed Mary?? On another occasion my brain received the name of an author I had previously not heard of. The dream itself used symbols relating to that author's subject material. And on a third occasion I was shown a book in a dream it turned out to be by Franz Bardon, I know it was the book because I had dreamed of the cover and the person in the dream who thrust the book into my hand was called Mercury (and he rode a motor bike ;D Spirit does have a mighty sense of humour-can vouch for it). Now, how can my brain gain such information ... ?? I didn't construct the dreams - they came fully constructed from somewhere else. My brain is just the hardware so far as I can see. Which brings us to silent language... why do we recognise words which are not spoken? We don't read them, we don't hear them, but we know what they are saying. I think I'm getting a headache.. Maat
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Post by paulh on Dec 17, 2008 2:53:55 GMT
Perhaps you can provide some references that demonstrate scientifically that "the concept "word" does not exist outside of the human brain" You're asking me to prove a negative, which can't be done. I was a bit surprised that you answered that "science" was how you knew it
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Post by paulh on Dec 17, 2008 8:05:57 GMT
No, science can show where in the brain our cognative function originate, including our language centers. I wonder how Spirit enters the brain. Does it come through the mind first or enter the brain directly
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Post by shiloh on Dec 17, 2008 12:24:33 GMT
I would like to thank you Leo, for your warm welcome to the forum and to assure you that I shall adhere to your guidelines. I am honoured by the response my post attracted, both positive and negative. I don't have the time, right now, to reply to all the responses. Prometheus, 'How do you explain seeds that sprout in space that key into light and also centrifugal forces independent from this earth 'heat?' ' Seeds can be forced by artificial means. I was referring to seeds planted in the soil on the Earth. On Earth, seeds are subjected to 'gravity'. Like humans, seeds grow to a certain stage of plant-life that we call 'ripe' and then begin to age and gradually 'rot'. As the Guangdong Academy of Agricultural Science has shown, in space seeds are not subjected to the 'time' and 'aging' effects of 'gravity' that exist in real-time, they respond to the very different dimension of space-time by producing enormous plants when returned to Earth. Russell, 'Can you suggest some subtle energy experiments so that humans may observe directly rather than being dependent upon faith'. Knowing is definately more satisfying than blind faith. Rather than experiments I think a perusal/study of the Bohr Model (also called the planetary model) of an atom would be very informative. I don't intend to insult anyone's intelligence when I say ignore all references to quantum mechanics and the model is easy to understand. Anyone who is baffled by the bizzare elements of quantum mechanics is in the good company of the great theoretical physicist and contemporary of Neils Bohr, John Wheeler, who said, 'The quantum is the greatest mystery we've got. Never in my life was I more up a tree than today...' Atomic excitation and de-excitation can be super-imposed over the Punctuated Equilibrium model of the Solar System. How did I overlook your post the first time around Maat? 'Spirit IS and IMO has a fiery quality to it etc. the picture that sprang to mind as I was pondering the question was of heat waves rising off the earth etc.) Had I read your post before responding I would have included the image in my own, crediting you, of course. I am a Jew. I am an autumn leaf, residing, as I do, within that 'emanation/radiance'. Do you still think you know me? As you say, Russel, the Core is solid, I expect the flow of magma from erupting volcanoes gave rise to the theory of a liquid Core. The flow comes from the liquid material formed at the interface (D layer) between the Core and the lower mantle. www.solarviews.com/cap/earth/earthfg2.htm'Why clockwise around the lodge?' Not being a mason, I wasn't aware of the clockwise movement inside a lodge, however, clockwise motion has for millennia been a common feature of many religions and is a tribute to the Source of Spirit that resides at the centre of a planet. Maat, I shall take your 'vitriol' comment as a great compliment as the clouds of the planet Venus are vitriolic, consisting, as they do, of high concentrations of sulfuric acid. And Venus, the Morning Star, is 'Heaven' proper, not 'Shamayim' the (cold, infertile) Heavens/deep-space. Venus, is the planet that supports the most developed life-forms in this Solar System. The atmosphere of Venus is hot enough to melt lead and thick enough to crush one of us and therefore sounds more like popular conceptions of conditions in 'Hell' but the truth has been turned upside down. Hell is bitterly cold, Heaven is a warm, fertile planet. The entire Solar System operates according to what is sometimes called the Goldilocks phenomenon. Just as Goldilocks found the porridge that was just right for her, conditions on each the planets in our Solar System are just right to support living creatures at a specific level of biological development at a specific promixity to (the incubator) Sun. As life moves towards the Sun, (borrowing from Maat) all life moves toward perfection. Moving inward from the Oort Cloud (which can be thought of as Darwin's primordial soup bowl...beyond the primordial soup, I don't support Darwin's theory, I support, but not entirely, the theory of Punctuated Equilibrium (Stephen Jay Gould and Niles Eldredge ) that was a big chunk in parenthesis almost causing me to lose my own gist, so I repeat: Moving inward from the Oort Cloud towards the Sun, density increases and biological organisms advance....Mars supports life-forms of lesser density, i.e. early man. Masons may be familiar with the term 'magic carpet' that was used to explain the 'folds and ripples' of mud made by Spirit's airbags as the Rover dragged the airbags across the surface of Mars. Googling 'Spirit landed in mud?' should pull up a relevant article. I Quote: Strange marks in the soil close to the rover's landing site have got the mission's scientists daring to consider the possibility that against all the odds, there is liquid water on - or just beneath - the surface of Mars. I would like to add some facts about the Helles Basin, the deepest point on Mars, but it would increase the boring nature of this post. Earth is the perfect distance from the sun and has the perfect conditions to support the life-forms with which we are familiar. Venus is the perfect distance from the sun for more advanced life-forms of far greater density than our own. This is a good time to repeat the very quotable quote that has already appeared in this thread in a post by Prometheus, 'There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.'. I repeat what I said in my earlier post: It is almost impossible to impart the truth and be believed. And at the risk of going around in the circle of: 'I know you know I know you know... I quote Prometheus, 'Not if you are speaking a truth that others know too.' Absobloominglutely! Your friend in real-time, Shiloh
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Post by shiloh on Dec 17, 2008 20:59:09 GMT
Prometheus asked, 'Did I miss something in your previous posts? This is the first time that you use the word 'gravity' ' You didn't miss anything, my second post was the first time I mentioned 'gravity'. If you recall from science 101 gravity is defined as the attractive (magnetic) force between any two bodies. This simplistic definition does not explain why the force exists. To better understand gravity you have to accept the conventional, and correct, theory that the Core of the Earth consists predominantly of iron and you have to understand the way the electrons in an iron atom group on one side of the atom to create a negative charge, and on the other side to create a positive charge. You also have to accept that the Moon, like the Core, is predominantly iron (this information yielded by the study of Moon rocks) and interacts with the Core of the Earth. You can think of the Spirit (energy) generated at the interface between the opposite directions of rotation of Core and Earth as a 'current' emitting from the Earth. By the way, look at the word 'emit', backwards it spells 'time'; it also contains within it the words 'I, Me, It.' If there were an A in the word 'emit/time' it would contain the sentence, 'Me, I am It.' From here I could launch into an explanation of 'time' that would explain time as an effect of 'gravity' but I'll restrain myself and go back to talking about gravity and magnetic fields. The Earth's magnetic field, called the magnetosphere, can be compared to the magnetic field of a bar magnet tilted 11 degrees from the Earth's spin axis.
It is accepted that the magnetosphere is generated by the rotation of the fluid iron surrounding the solid Core; the term geodynamo, (the rotating conductor model) is used in reference to the Earth's magnetosphere promoting the idea of the Earth/Core system as an electric generator. If the opposite direction of rotation at the interface was commonly known, it would explain how a charge by friction interaction produces the current loop that sustains the magnetic dipole magnetosphere.. You will know, Prometheus, when electrons in motion - current - flows along a wire, a magnetic field forms around the wire. Electrons zip around the Core/Earth interface just as they do around the nucleus of atom and just as they do when they whiz along a wire. Modern science has brushed aside an earlier theory that stated that electrons had specific orbits like planets and now considers the inner workings of an atom to be very complicated (it is not complicated). These days if we are trying to predict the possible position of an electron within an orbit we are told it is 'necessary' to take into account Schroedinger's wave equations, and Heisenberg's uncertainty principle and probability theory. I'll cut through all the jargonjabber but I am sure to raise some dissent. If modern science were to return to comparing the Solar System to an atom (Niels Bohr's Planetary model) it would have to do something it didn't do when it rejected the model, it would have to take into account the enormous differences in the size of the two bodies. Looking through a telescope at Mars from the surface of Earth we perceive Mars to be moving slowly relative to us. However, were we able to shrink down to where we lived on a planet the size of an atomic particle, a particle which was home to us and which we called Phi, and we looked through a telescope at a neighbouring planet we would be able to measure the velocity and accurately predict future positions of the neighbouring planet/particle without Schroedinger and Heisenberg. When we shift the perspective of our observations in either direction, down to the size of an electron, or up to the size of a planet, we have to make all the necessary adjustments in our calculations. Apart from the fact that I have lost the gist of what I was saying, I am boring myself so I am undoubtably boring you; oh, right, I was going to go from electrons to gravity. That would be utterly boring, however, I offer you a couple of interesting insights into the word 'gravity': 'Gravid' is the correct word to use when referring to fertile eggs. Also, a gravid uterus is a pregnant uterus. Jumping from there to the Hopi 'Mystery Egg' (the Earth) it is no coincidence that we use the term 'gravity' because the Earth is indeed a gravid egg, the Core being the, as yet, unhatched 'chick'... I have something to do now, someone to talk to.
Shiloh
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Post by maat on Dec 17, 2008 23:21:08 GMT
Do you still think you know me?
Something 'inside' recognised you ..
You didn't miss anything, my second post was the first time I mentioned 'gravity'. If you recall from science 101 gravity is defined as the attractive (magnetic) force between any two bodies. This simplistic definition does not explain why the force exists. To better understand gravity you have to accept the conventional, and correct, theory that the Core of the Earth consists predominantly of iron and you have to understand the way the electrons in an iron atom group on one side of the atom to create a negative charge, and on the other side to create a positive charge. You also have to accept that the Moon, like the Core, is predominantly iron (this information yielded by the study of Moon rocks) and interacts with the Core of the Earth. You can think of the Spirit (energy) generated at the interface between the opposite directions of rotation of Core and Earth as a 'current' emitting from the Earth.
Masonically we have two pillars which are opposites but act together-and likewise a mosaic pavement. These symbols are supposed to point 'the way'..
I am also getting an image of plumblines ..
Then there are all those references to iron in the Bible.
"Iron
Tubal-Cain is the first-mentioned worker in iron (Gen. 4:22). The Egyptians wrought it at Sinai before the Exodus. David prepared it in great abundance for the temple (1 Chr. 22:3: 29:7). The merchants of Dan and Javan brought it to the market of Tyre (Ezek. 27:19). Various instruments are mentioned as made of iron (Deut. 27:5; 19:5; Josh. 17:16, 18; 1 Sam. 17:7; 2 Sam. 12:31; 2 Kings 6:5, 6; 1 Chr. 22:3; Isa. 10:34).
Figuratively, a yoke of iron (Deut. 28:48) denotes hard service; a rod of iron (Ps. 2:9), a stern government; a pillar of iron (Jer. 1:18), a strong support; a furnace of iron (Deut. 4:20), severe labor; a bar of iron (Job 40:18), strength; fetters of iron (Ps. 107:10), affliction; giving silver for iron (Isa. 60:17), prosperity"
Thought provoking.
Maat
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Post by shiloh on Dec 19, 2008 3:19:02 GMT
Latin 'Gravitas' a derivative of the word 'gravis' meaning both 'heavy' and 'important' ... like a pregnant womb Prometheus?
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Post by shiloh on Dec 19, 2008 3:36:33 GMT
Prometheus, We have to do more than scratch the surface of a word, if we look closely words are miraculous, magical, musical, mysterious, marvellous. Have a closer look at Latin 'gravitas' and 'gravis' and compare them to Old English 'grafan' grave; Old Slavic 'pogreti' bury; Sanskrit 'guru' weighty, venerable; Greek 'barus' heavy, grievous, Celtic 'llannerch' grove comes from the late Celtic word 'llan' church; Celtic 'nemeton', a word used for the most sacred 'groves'; Irish 'fid-nemed' sacred grove of trees; 'Simulacra' graven images of Gods. In England, Lincoln, we find the 'Mars Rigonemetis' meaning 'Mars, King of the Sacred Grove' ... I humbly offer you an insight into the words gravity, grove, grave etc. ... words that mean sacred, heavy, important, serious, dignified like the word PREGNANT
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