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Oct 2, 2008 18:58:55 GMT
Post by maximus on Oct 2, 2008 18:58:55 GMT
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Oct 2, 2008 20:03:43 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Oct 2, 2008 20:03:43 GMT
"Intelligent Design" has many flaws, among which are:
*There is no information about the designer(s).
*There is no information about the designing process.
*Why, if the designer(s) wished to create an intelligent life form, they created a universe so sparsely populated with life (which itself took billions of years to evolve and billions more to gain intelligence). The proponents of ID are assuming design without being able to explain a single step in the process. God is not an explanation because God is a way of stopping the cycle of questions. By citing God, research into a particular phenomenon ends--no more knowledge can be gained. Intelligent Design is simply religious dogma disguised as science--in other words pseudoscience, and a strategy to get religion taught in public schools under cover.
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Oct 2, 2008 20:07:50 GMT
Post by hollandr on Oct 2, 2008 20:07:50 GMT
>The proponents of ID are assuming design without being able to explain a single step in the process.
Max
I am not sure you paid too much interest in the link I provided.
His book: "Everything you know is wrong" is particularly interesting.
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Oct 2, 2008 20:09:15 GMT
Post by hollandr on Oct 2, 2008 20:09:15 GMT
>I thought I was pandering you by spelling out what Karen had already given by links!? Here we go again: Yes so-called "Orbs" appeared on emulsion film
Philip
I wonder if my observation of orbs as showing something that could be intelligent movement is relevant to you
Alternatively, you may have noticed that my interpretation of Maat's picture included only one account of an orb paying attention to several brethren and she tells us that those 3 are special "mates". Just another lucky cold read!
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Oct 2, 2008 20:13:33 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Oct 2, 2008 20:13:33 GMT
I am not sure you paid too much interest in the link I provided. You do not appear to give much attention to the links others provide, e.g. Karen's Orbs (Reply #2)!?
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Oct 2, 2008 20:16:20 GMT
Post by hollandr on Oct 2, 2008 20:16:20 GMT
>You do not appear to give much attention to the links others provide
I would be much more likely to consider optical effects if I could figure out how they might provide movement that could be seen as intelligent - as in the account I gave of the graveyard - or how they could recognise closely associated brethren
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Oct 2, 2008 20:36:36 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Oct 2, 2008 20:36:36 GMT
What intelligence do you deduce and why? All you have done is to describe movement (mites drawn to the light and illuminated close to the lens might indeed appear purposeful). Why you would wish to say of Bro. Maat's lodge room photo that a so-called "orb" is interested in anyone or anything, simply because of optical flaws on the image, is beyond me. If, like Bro. Steve, you agree that the shark's "orbs" are artefacts of the photographic process, why would other "orbs" be any different?
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Oct 2, 2008 21:08:15 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Oct 2, 2008 21:08:15 GMT
Just another lucky cold read! The mind does indeed "recognise" patterns, even where none were intended. In Cold Readings, "hits" tend to be noted (& built upon) while misses are disregarded. However, in this case we are dealing with concrete images, which all can see, rather than with your super powers of psychic observation or lack thereof.
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Oct 2, 2008 22:10:57 GMT
Post by lauderdale on Oct 2, 2008 22:10:57 GMT
Interestingly the one subject which IS compulsory in UK State Schools is Religious Knowledge although any parent can opt their child out and provision is made for those not of a Christian faith such as Islamics , Hindus, Jews etc, and of course Atheists and Agnostics etc. Independent Schools of course can teach whatever religious ethos they wish and many are indeed run by the churches etc.
Philip, if I wanted a comic strip with cartoons I'd buy the Beano or the Dandy.
I'll stick with my Faith in our Creator God and his Son Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, you can go solve an equation or two if that's what works for you.
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Oct 2, 2008 22:47:33 GMT
Post by hollandr on Oct 2, 2008 22:47:33 GMT
>All you have done is to describe movement (mites drawn to the light and illuminated close to the lens might indeed appear purposeful).
In the case I described it was around midnight with no moon and no lights. The digital cameras of course are more sensitive to infrared than most emulsion films.
The bright orb in the dark cemetery moved away at a constant speed in a straight line and then turned an exact angle (no momentum and therefore no effective weight) and moved away at high speed again in a straight line. As you will note, apart from the scale and proximity - it could be a description of a ufo.
So there was no light to be drawn to and the movement was anything but mite-like
Perhaps another explanation might be a mite better
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Oct 2, 2008 23:07:26 GMT
Post by maat on Oct 2, 2008 23:07:26 GMT
THE most interesting photo I ever saw belonged to a friend who run a 'new age' course for young children. It was a wonderful course which gently introduced the children to the idea that there is more to life than meets the eye. It was particularly effective with 'problem' children.
If the children did well in the 2 weekend workshops (ie showed up, paid attention, asked questions) they were rewarded with a weekend camp out in nature somewhere.
I was looking at photos of their camp activities and noticed two photos which showed a human sized golden coloured 'ovoid' beside a tent opening. The photos were taken from different vantage points with a little time difference between them and the tent was not the subject of the photo. The glowing ovoid was in the same position though pictured from different angles and was partially hidden by a bush at the lower level.
Apparently the ovoid was not visible to the naked eye, the photographer only saw it herself when the photos were collected. I did not think to ask her whether she took it with a digital camera or not... I saw the photos about 6/7 years ago. Unfortunately she no longer lives in Adelaide.
Maat
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Oct 2, 2008 23:12:08 GMT
Post by maat on Oct 2, 2008 23:12:08 GMT
It would be interesting to photograph the lodge before opening, during a meeting and after closing.
Two photographers using two different cameras. If there are any orbs, they should be in the same position no matter where the photo is taken from.
Wonder if I can get that past council... Yep, reckon I could persuade them...
Maat
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Oct 3, 2008 0:28:00 GMT
Post by hollandr on Oct 3, 2008 0:28:00 GMT
>If there are any orbs, they should be in the same position no matter where the photo is taken from.
It is a good experiment for testing if the orbs are problems with camera.
But if the orbs are real and alive in some sense then they might move around.
If the orbs are connected to or attracted to something or someone they might move around somewhat - perhaps like a balloon tethered in a breeze - or perhaps like an inverted yo-yo - or perhaps like a pigeon circling the loft
I suggest a minute of video from time to time when the lodge is open but not doing anything too obvious
Some research on orb photography on the web will tell you which video cameras are best for detecting orbs
There are actually hacks that can be done to make the cameras more sensitive to infrared
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Oct 3, 2008 0:46:08 GMT
Post by hollandr on Oct 3, 2008 0:46:08 GMT
One of the earliest documenters of etheric entities in the atmosphere was Trevor Constable www.burlingtonnews.net/multiverses5a.htmlNote the photo from 1957 in the lower right corner www.kheper.net/gaia/consciousness/ufo-bioforms.htmlConstable also recorded entities using a super 7 movie camera with the lens cap on. The impressions came through the black plastic cap and were recorded on the film. I suspect that Constable's images and movies are of entities closely related to orbs
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Oct 3, 2008 8:27:24 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Oct 3, 2008 8:27:24 GMT
Philip, if I wanted a comic strip with cartoons I'd buy the Beano or the Dandy. Steve, while I may have responded to a post of yours, my response was not exclusively for you.
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Oct 3, 2008 8:32:52 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Oct 3, 2008 8:32:52 GMT
In the case I described it was around midnight with no moon and no lights. The digital cameras of course are more sensitive to infrared than most emulsion films. You are NOW saying it was pitch black and the images were taken with infrared sensitive equipment!? Sorry, way too post hoc and way too convenient to be credible, I would need to see the footage. We read: So, such digital, infrared sensitivity is not a matter "of course" (you use such terms very freely) but a very specialised and expensive choice (mostly used by forensic teams)!? Otherwise, digital cameras have, "of course," only limited infrared sensitivity.
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Oct 3, 2008 9:31:45 GMT
Post by hollandr on Oct 3, 2008 9:31:45 GMT
>digital cameras have, "of course," only limited infrared sensitivity.
If you search around there are various accounts of how to remove the filter and some accounts indicate which cameras in standard form are most sensitive to IR
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Oct 3, 2008 9:48:26 GMT
Post by lauderdale on Oct 3, 2008 9:48:26 GMT
My best Digital Camera, an SLR which can be purchased easily over the Internet or in a shop has an IR setting. I have used it to pinpoint hot spots on electronic equipment etc.
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Oct 3, 2008 10:20:40 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Oct 3, 2008 10:20:40 GMT
You are NOW saying it was pitch black and the images were taken with infrared sensitive equipment!? Sorry, way too post hoc and way too convenient to be credible, I would need to see the footage.
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Oct 3, 2008 10:33:31 GMT
Post by lauderdale on Oct 3, 2008 10:33:31 GMT
Oh dear the needle has stuck on your gramophone record Philip, or am I experiencing deja vu? This point was made by you nearly two hours ago.
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