Tamrin
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Oct 3, 2008 10:48:18 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Oct 3, 2008 10:48:18 GMT
And disregarded by the two respondents in the meantime!?
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Oct 3, 2008 11:28:45 GMT
Post by lauderdale on Oct 3, 2008 11:28:45 GMT
Surdo fabulam narras or of you prefer you are the sound of one hand clapping.
Philip, perhaps people do not like your style, (I most certainly find it tedious in the extreme) repetitive postings of silly images and cartoons, always sniping and asking for "sources", "proof" etc . By and large I ignore you too and feel that the others to whom you refer may have come to the same conclusion.
Perhaps a change of approach may further your cause, rather than being confrontational? You have failed with me and have only succeeded in driving me in the opposite direction on many issues and have engendered in me a strong personal animosity towards yourself.
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Tamrin
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Oct 3, 2008 11:35:22 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Oct 3, 2008 11:35:22 GMT
Steve, you have an odd way of ignoring people and an offensive manner of taking offence!? You have likewise failed with me. Apt quote ( it actually meant, I was talking to a deaf man) although I prefer Carl Sagan's, " extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"
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Oct 3, 2008 12:16:18 GMT
Post by lauderdale on Oct 3, 2008 12:16:18 GMT
I am aware of the Latin quote, one of my favourites.
"You have likewise failed with me."
Great! Now we have no doubt as to where we both stand and can be the best of enemies.
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Oct 3, 2008 13:50:11 GMT
Post by imakegarb on Oct 3, 2008 13:50:11 GMT
Both of you, Brothers: please see your PMs and act accordingly.
Everyone: this thread is not locked. However, it needs to wander into a far more fraternal, not to mention grown up, direction. Opinions are encouraged here. Requiring others to agree is much discouraged.
I'm also going to make an observation here. I have noticed that flame wars and great unhappiness in all online forums, not just Masonic forums, seem most often to occur this time of year. I've no clue why but it seems to be true. This seems to be the time of year when we're all at our most sensitive and when buttons we don't even know we have can be most easily, even unintentionally, found and pushed.
With that observation, I strongly suggest we take greater steps toward tolerance of each others' beliefs and ideas/habits and foibles just now.
That does not mean you keep your opinions to yourself. Indeed, in this arena, one should never feel constrained to do that. It also does not mean that you require others agree with you or that you take offense when they don't. All opinions are relevant. Opinions are to be shared, not enforced. In Masonry, the former is required; the latter is anathema.
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Tamrin
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Oct 3, 2008 14:55:00 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Oct 3, 2008 14:55:00 GMT
While Steve may think of me as he will, for my part, I do not consider him to be an "enemy."
Here, in the Southern Hemisphere: "Spring has sprung, the grass is rizz," and, like Winnie the Pooh, I'm wondering, "Where them birdies is?"
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Oct 3, 2008 15:21:31 GMT
Post by Tamrin on Oct 3, 2008 15:21:31 GMT
Constable also recorded entities using a super 7 movie camera with the lens cap on. The impressions came through the black plastic cap and were recorded on the film. Images appearing while filming with the lens cap on!? I would consider this to be evidence of flaws in the film, causes within the camera or artifacts of the processing. I wonder, if unused film were to be developed, would similar results be apparent?
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Oct 3, 2008 15:32:04 GMT
Post by maximus on Oct 3, 2008 15:32:04 GMT
I'm wondering how a camera is able to film "entities" with the lenscap on. This makes no sense.
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Oct 3, 2008 20:59:48 GMT
Post by hollandr on Oct 3, 2008 20:59:48 GMT
>This makes no sense. Quite so - within the usual scientific theories. Of course it may be that there are more things in heaven and earth etc Perhaps you might like to read his book The Cosmic Pulse of Life www.thebooktree.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=653 and discover more about his methodologies and what his discoveries have been over more than 50 years of research and writing about etheric life. I have been following his work for 30 years. It is remarkable. Here is an interview with him www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n6cEQ40DXU about his filming of etheric entities in the atmosphere. On the tape he not only says that the entities can be picked up using IR film but that an entirely different set can be picked up using UV film. I wonder if some digital cameras are sensitive to UV. He is also a successful etheric engineer but not everyone has an interest in non-material physics
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Oct 3, 2008 22:12:00 GMT
Post by lauderdale on Oct 3, 2008 22:12:00 GMT
Bro Russell. I have seen IR sensitive film in the old days when I did a bit of film photography and of course it is possible to have IR sensitivity on a decent Digital Camera. I can't see why there should not be UV Cameras available as there are sensors which pick up such emissions and of course our friends the Insects and I am sure some Birds can see the UV end of the spectrum which most of us humans cannot with the naked eye.
I will need to investigate whether there are UV Digital Cameras on the domestic retail market or some adaptor which would enable such to be photographed. I'm sure there are very expensive professional and industrial cameras which can cope with this part of the spectrum.
Do supernatural entities give off IR or UV as well as (humanly) visible light? It is often observed that when something manifests from the Etheric Regions there is an appreciable drop in temperature. Could the flow of heat from the corporeal to the supernatural entity be photographed by an IR camera? if you know Bro Russell or have any thoughts on this I would be grateful.
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Oct 3, 2008 22:12:03 GMT
Post by hollandr on Oct 3, 2008 22:12:03 GMT
Here is a night video showing an orb www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT6i44qdaukIt is interesting that the orb seems to partially have its own light source and partially reflects light If you watch the light reflections, initially the orb is lit from the ground and later from the right The orb does not seem to reflect the light coming from behind the camera - as seen on the foreground leaves
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Oct 3, 2008 22:17:06 GMT
Post by sid on Oct 3, 2008 22:17:06 GMT
Greetings, Here is a night video showing an orb www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT6i44qdaukIt is interesting that the orb seems to partially have its own light source and partially reflects light If you watch the light reflections, initially the orb is lit from the ground and later from the right The orb does not seem to reflect the light coming from behind the camera - as seen on the foreground leaves To become one with the/an orb one has to enter it
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Oct 3, 2008 22:34:46 GMT
Post by lauderdale on Oct 3, 2008 22:34:46 GMT
Thanks Bro Russell. That reminds me of ball lightning that I once observed, at least I took it to be ball lightning at the time.
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Oct 3, 2008 22:40:02 GMT
Post by hollandr on Oct 3, 2008 22:40:02 GMT
>Do supernatural entities give off IR or UV as well as (humanly) visible light? I am not sure that we should consider entities as supernatural merely because the human eye cannot see them I read this morning that much of the communication between biological cells is EMR. The report did not specify the frequencies but I think it reasonable to assume that most are not in the visible spectrum else we would have noticed that plants glow in the dark >there is an appreciable drop in temperature That quite often happens in group meditations >Could the flow of heat from the corporeal to the supernatural entity be photographed by an IR camera? I am not sure that the coldness is a direct transfer. It might be that the precipitation of an entity into etheric levels condenses local substance and if heat is actually etheric in nature, the condensation might rob the locality of heat. But that should show up in IR as a dark area in the room On the other hand, the interconnection between entities must have some energetic substance and the densest subplanes of that could well be detectable. I recall years ago in the community, a friend was about to depart for some time and we went to meditate - sitting opposite each other. During the meditation I saw a "rope" of 18 strands form between us - 7 physical, 7 astral, 4 lower mental. For several days after that my girl friend used to call me Harold and his would call him Russell. By the 4th day they could distinguish our energies again and got our names right. It would have been interesting to photograph the meditation and see what was visible But I might say that photographing some entities is not straight forward. Years ago I was encountering the Green Man en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_ManOnce in the meditation group outdoors at night, a Green Man arose from the landscape. Having my SLR with IR film handy, I immediately took a photo. But the camera jammed with the aperture open and was a write-off. A few weeks later, someone from the meditation group was in Antarctica and saw a Green Man so out with the camera and take some snaps. But some how the roll of film was lost - never to be found. Meantime I have bought a secondhand Minolta (not auto so I can control exposures) and with the IR film I went out in the large backyard where a Green Man occasionally emerged from a grotto-like area. So again some photos and also of a large entity anchored over the house. And I seemed to be able to take an awful lot of shots on the film - and eventually discover the film has jumped off the spindle - and I ruin the film trying to extract it I decided that Green Men were a bit camera-shy
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Oct 3, 2008 22:49:41 GMT
Post by hollandr on Oct 3, 2008 22:49:41 GMT
>To become one with the/an orb one has to enter it
With Maat's picture I certainly empathized with the orbs to detect their interest. The one I said had a beneficent energy was particularly pleasing
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Oct 3, 2008 23:36:38 GMT
Post by lauderdale on Oct 3, 2008 23:36:38 GMT
Bro Russell. Perhaps a Digital Camera would be free of these problems such as jamming shutters, film un-spooling from the winder etc, as it is an electronic item with far fewer mechanical parts to fail or jam.
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Oct 3, 2008 23:48:00 GMT
Post by hollandr on Oct 3, 2008 23:48:00 GMT
>Perhaps a Digital Camera would be free of these problems
I expect so. Meanwhile my life has moved on. Perhaps I may be prompted in that direction in the future
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Jun 4, 2009 5:15:24 GMT
Post by mgc on Jun 4, 2009 5:15:24 GMT
*There is no information about the designer(s). if a painters works reflect his personality, and u assume a creator(s), the universe itself should contain information.. *There is no information about the designing process. perhaps u can compare it with designing a car.. u dont get to see the design phases (unless ur part of the team), and have to be content with observing its final stage.. though this is somewhat disheartening, the observant observer would realize that improved designs of the same line shows long term design in process.. so although u cant see the team at work (top secret!), u can follow the long term trend.. *Why, if the designer(s) wished to create an intelligent life form, they created a universe so sparsely populated with life (which itself took billions of years to evolve and billions more to gain intelligence). lol.. perhaps a 4D designer isnt very concerned about time and space.. assuming design without being able to explain a single step we would have to go into great detail in order to show why things work how they work.. lets start with the natural laws.. how come they have the values they have? what would happen if those values would be altered? religious dogma disguised as science dogma bad, questions good
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