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Post by advocate on Nov 23, 2008 10:57:38 GMT
Good evening, Can anyone tell me more about the [glow=red,2,300] BLACKHEETHE DEGREES[/glow]. I came across their mention when researching the Masonic Order of Athelstan. Fraternally Yours Advocate
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Post by middlepillar on Nov 23, 2008 11:34:54 GMT
Good evening, Can anyone tell me more about the [glow=red,2,300] BLACKHEETHE DEGREES[/glow]. I came across their mention when researching the Masonic Order of Athelstan. Fraternally Yours Advocate I think you are refering to Orders that originally were Chartered (Or the Charter was reintroduced, kept alive or possibly reponed in some cases) from Blackheath. If this is the case you would be looking at orders such as Sir Thomas of Acon, Pilgrim Preceptor, August order of Light, HOM, Hermetic Order of Spiritual Knight and The fellowship of The Rosy Cross. If this is the case what is it that you want to know? If you are not and your spelling is correct I havent a clue what you are talking about! ;D
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 23, 2008 17:44:55 GMT
Indeed so. I was a member thereof. A Degree I really enjoyed and which had very important moral lessons to impart.
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Post by middlepillar on Nov 23, 2008 18:13:41 GMT
There is a Blackheethe Chapel TI (London) of Ye Commemorative Order of St. Thomas of Acon. Yes Bro Architekt. Its first home was at Blackheath! It moved to MMH when it outgrew the Blackheath premises. One of the idiosynchroses of Sir Thomas of Acon is that all the summonses are produced using old English. The spelling of Blacheath used to be as in the title of this thread. The Temple used at Blackheath was a very special place, if it wasnt for it we probably would not have the August order of Light in this Country. When the Temple in Bradford was forcibly purchased from the order it had nowhere to go, it went to York for a short while and then eventually found its home in Halifax, however this was over a period of time, whilst this was going on the then Arch President agreed to allow Garuda No 2 to start up in Blackheath which kept the order alive.
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Post by middlepillar on Nov 24, 2008 9:21:37 GMT
Yes, and I recollect there was an article in The Square on the private house in Blackheath (SE London) sometime last year that provided more details on its importance. The owner may have died and this was part of the reason for the relocation. Bro Architekt I am sure you will be pleased to know that the owner of the house has not died! he decided at the age of 83 to retire and emigrate to New Zealand. This man is probably the leading authority on many esoteric orders within Freemasonry. He has been The GM of Sir Thomas of Acon and several other amazing orders. He was the Imperator of the Fellowship of The Rosy Cross and is alive and kicking in the Southern Hemisphere promoting and continuing his good work within the orders he feels are important. He has just spent the last 6 weeks in England attending many meetings including The High Council meeting of SRIA in Leeds. I had the honour of being his gueat at the 150th anniversary meeting of his Rose Croix Chapter. As I have said he is very much alive and kicking, a great personal friend of mine and an inspiration to most people who meet him.
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Post by mrmason on Nov 26, 2008 21:17:41 GMT
"Hermetic Order of Spiritual Knight and The fellowship of The Rosy Cross"
MP, Is there any way of knowing a short history of these orders?
I've seen the pictures of A.E. Waite in the regalia of the Rosy Cross. Is this one and the same?
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Post by middlepillar on Nov 28, 2008 8:55:28 GMT
"Hermetic Order of Spiritual Knight and The fellowship of The Rosy Cross" MP, Is there any way of knowing a short history of these orders? I've seen the pictures of A.E. Waite in the regalia of the Rosy Cross. Is this one and the same? Hi Bob The Fellowship is Waites legendary attempt to create an order comparable to The Golden Dawm but replacing the magick with Western Mysticism. It follows a very similar Grade structure (0=0, 1=10 etc). It has 4 orders within it (The First order is made up of 0=0. 1=10) then there is a portal and then the 2nd order and this goes on until you reach the last Grade! This has actually never been worked! There are two established temples, one in Southern England (Northern Hemisphere) and one in New Zealand, North Island. (Southern Hemispere). The Spiritual Knight is a Martinist Order in its originality, it originated in Russia and it used to be open only to members of Martinism's 3rd Grade. That restriction has been lifted and it is open to pretty much any Master Mason who enquires! There are two (soon to be three) temples meeting at the moment, one in North London and one in South London. Both Temples are within 2 miles of the M25.
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 28, 2008 9:33:45 GMT
"and it is open to pretty much any Master Mason who enquires! "
Does that mean ANY Master Mason or only UGLE (and Amity) MMs?
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Post by middlepillar on Nov 28, 2008 17:30:24 GMT
"and it is open to pretty much any Master Mason who enquires! "Does that mean ANY Master Mason or only UGLE (and Amity) MMs? Steve You ask a very interesting question! Before I answer it I will just say that the Fellowship is open to both men and women and always has been. Now the Spiritual knight is different, it has historically conferred its degrees on women who have then gone abroad to work the Order overseas,! however at this moment there are no female members in this Country and if I am honest I would say I cannot see this changing for the forseable future, although as a martinist inspired order it should of course be open to all, however as its growth and life today has come out of HOM in the main and SRIA to a lesser extent (although that is changing) both of whom do not admit women I do not think it will happen. If anyone is interested in joining Martinism of a mixed nature then I would recommend MOUP ( www.moup.org/) although there are other Martinist orders available as in OMS and BMO. There are many (non-masonic) initiatic ceremonies that are open to men and women and I have found them to be most rewarding and enjoyable.
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Post by brandt on Nov 28, 2008 21:29:54 GMT
If I may add, AMO (Ancient Martinist Order). Martinism has proven to be a most rewarding experience for me.
Brandt
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Post by mrmason on Nov 29, 2008 12:57:33 GMT
Many thanks for the info Chris, very interesting.
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Post by advocate on Dec 28, 2008 14:32:14 GMT
To all the contributors so far ... thank you!! I am interested that The Administroator mentions the following: Pilgrim Preceptor, August order of Light, HOM, Hermetic Order of Spiritual Knight and The fellowship of The Rosy Cross As a Freemason in Australia I must admit to knowing very little of the above. I appreciate your sharing of the knowledge but I must admit that I am still somewhat confused by what I thought was a very simple question. "I think you are refering to Orders that originally were Chartered (Or the Charter was reintroduced, kept alive or possibly reponed in some cases) from Blackheath. If this is the case you would be looking at orders such as Sir Thomas of Acon, Pilgrim Preceptor, August order of Light, HOM, Hermetic Order of Spiritual Knight and The fellowship of The Rosy Cross. If this is the case what is it that you want to know?" Very simply: a lot more.....how do these orders have a home at Blackheethe...what is their commanality..they seem to be vey much non aligned...are they part of the "accepted" Freemasonry as we know it...do they branch off into the very esoteric that is not Freemasonry? ? Just a start..... I wish all the Fratenity (and theirs) the very Best for 2009 and hope all and theirs had a very merry Christmas! Advocate "Three white boomers, snow white boomers..............."
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Post by middlepillar on Dec 28, 2008 16:45:12 GMT
To all the contributors so far ... thank you!! I am interested that The Administroator mentions the following: Pilgrim Preceptor, August order of Light, HOM, Hermetic Order of Spiritual Knight and The fellowship of The Rosy Cross As a Freemason in Australia I must admit to knowing very little of the above. I appreciate your sharing of the knowledge but I must admit that I am still somewhat confused by what I thought was a very simple question. "I think you are refering to Orders that originally were Chartered (Or the Charter was reintroduced, kept alive or possibly reponed in some cases) from Blackheath. If this is the case you would be looking at orders such as Sir Thomas of Acon, Pilgrim Preceptor, August order of Light, HOM, Hermetic Order of Spiritual Knight and The fellowship of The Rosy Cross. If this is the case what is it that you want to know?" Very simply: a lot more.....how do these orders have a home at Blackheethe...what is their commanality..they seem to be vey much non aligned...are they part of the "accepted" Freemasonry as we know it...do they branch off into the very esoteric that is not Freemasonry? ? Bro Arkitekt, I do not believe Beyond The Craft has any of these orders in it! Bro Advocate, I am glad to see you have not disappeared! I thought it strange to ask a question and then disappear! But you may of been busy with the mundane things in your life that make it possible to enjoy your freemasonry! In answer to your question on how theses orders had a home in Blackheethe (Please note 'Had') and what was thier commonality? I will try to answer! Thier commonality is that they were all very small Orders that have been around for some time, and they were all held together by being able to meet in the Temple at Blackheath, this Temple was the loft in the house of our Brother who I have mentioned retired at the age of 83 to New Zealand. The room (loft) was exceptionally large and beautifully set out and decorated, it was also used for organ recitals and small services on a Sunday. The owner was a deeply spiritual and knowlegable man, who had known among others John Semkin and other well known 'masonic' characters, some of these brethren held the charters for these 'masonic' orders, and without exception entrusted them to him. Hence these degrees/orders were worked at Blackheath, the first order to move away from Blackheath was Sir Thomas of Acon, the original Chapel moved to Mark Masons Hall and as you know is called Blackheethe Chapel. There then followed a few years of stability and gradually these orders all found new Grand Masters and new Homes! There are now 3 or 4 Pilgrim Preceptor Chapters, The Garuda Temple No 2 moved to Hertfordshire, Spiritual Knight moved out to the North and South of London (Herts and Kent) and Meridian HOM moved to Hampstead. Finally The Fellowship moved to Kent The house has now been sold and the history of Blackheath is complete!
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 28, 2008 19:29:01 GMT
Beyond the Craft synops includes:
Holy Royal Arch,Mark Masonry,Royal Ark Mariners,Order of the Secret Monitor,Royal and Select Masters,Order of the Secret Monitor,Royal and Select masters,Order of the Allied Masonic Degrees,The Ancient and Accepted Rite (Rose Croix),The Red Cross of Constantine,Knight Templar and Knight of Malta,Holy Royal Arch Knights Templar Priests,Royal Order of Scotland,Baldwyn Rite,The Operatives,Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia,Order of Light,Order of Eri,Knight Templar Beneficent of the Holy city.
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 28, 2008 19:55:05 GMT
I like to check on things that I dont know , so I put this into a google search and the only response I got was this site plus one other.
Thought you might be interested
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Post by middlepillar on Dec 28, 2008 20:21:56 GMT
Bill
There is a strong rumour going around that The Commemortive order of Thomas of Acon will be the next order that Keith Jackson will include in his book. (However this has ben rumoured for the last 3 years!)
With regard to the other orders I know there are Web Sites for August Order of Light and Hermetic Order of Martinists, I do not think there will ever be a Web Site for the Fellowship and Both the PP and Spiritual Knights have no plans for a Web presence as yet.
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Post by lauderdale on Dec 29, 2008 9:44:17 GMT
I was a member of St Thomas of Acon, a lovely Degree but sadly not one we work in LDH.
Today is the remembrance of the Martyrdom of St Thomas a Becket.
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Post by advocate on Dec 29, 2008 23:18:42 GMT
Again, I thank all those who have contributed to this particular forum. architekt - I have a copy of the book Beyond the Craft and it only mentions the August order of Light. middlepillar - special thanks for your contribution. www.royalarch.org.au/zone_files/General_PDF/masonic_pathways_07v4.pdfthe above link may be of interest to the students of Freemasonry. I understand now that the answer is about the where rather than the what. I thought that I was on the trail of some rather "mysterious and arcane" set of Freemasonry workings. It turned out to be a place that certain degrees were taken. I would be most interested in knowing the name of the gent who is now "across the ditch" from us. His guidance and knowledge would certainly be of assistance in the future. Advocate
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Post by ricardo on Jan 13, 2009 8:36:53 GMT
The Commemorative Order of St Thomas of Acon is growing in Australia and New Zealand. acon73.blogspot.com/Athelstan has also made a start. S&F --
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Post by ricardo on Feb 10, 2009 13:17:42 GMT
I would be most interested in knowing the name of the gent who is now "across the ditch" from us. His guidance and knowledge would certainly be of assistance in the future. Advocate Do you still wish to know his name? I understand he'll be in Melbourne next week. S&F Ricardo
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