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Post by shiloh on Dec 21, 2008 16:33:20 GMT
It does sound absurd, Maximus, but yes, Madonna has experienced the Royal Secret. I believe she learned in a Kabbala yeshivot under the instruction of Rabbi Yehuda Berg. It is actually forbidden to Rabbanim to teach Kabbala to non-Jews but money talks to some Rabbanim. Madonna's knowledge of one of the deepest secrets of Kabbala is the cause of considerable discomfort to most orthodox Rabbanim (including my own Extraordinary Rabbi). Today I googled Madonna, Rabbi, Kabbala and I came up with this: www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411415061&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFullI realised she knew the Secret before I knew of her interest in Kabbala... One of Madonna's performances with Britany Spears was a 'give-away'. Others who know what I am referring to will probably have noticed the same 'give-away'. I have been told that Madonna tried her level best to share this knowledge with Oprah Winfrey but Oprah refused to involve herself with Kabbala.
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Post by shiloh on Dec 21, 2008 18:01:08 GMT
Paulh said: Masonry exists on various planes of creation including etc. I am not a mason and I might never be a mason. However, if your interesting 'planes of creation' comments were to appear before me in the form of a multiple-choice exam question, as a non-mason I would answer what could well be an 'insider' question as follows:
1. When I compare the Creator to the Monarch Bee in the centre of an Extraordinary Beehive, I conjure an image of the Creator's mind as a full honeycomb and masonry as a 'Way' into the various cells of the honeycomb. 2. Just as I have no interest in the opinions of people who talk of a GOD about whom they know nothing and whom I know on a first Name basis, I have no interest in the opinions of non-masons on masonry. 3. Gestalt focuses on the ‘here and now’. The focus of masonry is more extensive. 4. I have never entered a lodge and mingled with brethren, but I would compare a Lodge to a sea-worthy craft and the brethren to a crew.
I would have fared better if you had asked me instead about the Temples of Jerusalem. Nevertheless, I have given a guarded response.
Shiloh
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Post by shiloh on Dec 21, 2008 18:10:38 GMT
Kaniball2 A hint from a non-mason: Does GOD forget HIS story?
Shiloh
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Post by vintagemalt on Dec 23, 2008 17:26:28 GMT
It does sound absurd, Maximus, but yes, Madonna has experienced the Royal Secret. I believe she learned in a Kabbala yeshivot under the instruction of Rabbi Yehuda Berg. It is actually forbidden to Rabbanim to teach Kabbala to non-Jews but money talks to some Rabbanim. Madonna's knowledge of one of the deepest secrets of Kabbala is the cause of considerable discomfort to most orthodox Rabbanim (including my own Extraordinary Rabbi). Today I googled Madonna, Rabbi, Kabbala and I came up with this: www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411415061&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFullI realised she knew the Secret before I knew of her interest in Kabbala... One of Madonna's performances with Britany Spears was a 'give-away'. Others who know what I am referring to will probably have noticed the same 'give-away'. I have been told that Madonna tried her level best to share this knowledge with Oprah Winfrey but Oprah refused to involve herself with Kabbala. Yeah.... you are right Shilo! It does sound absurd thats cos it IS absurd. Madonna ? Britney Spears ? various celebrities? I guess you will be saying Jane Goodey has the secret next! Your 'avin a larf ! Vm
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Post by lauderdale on Dec 23, 2008 18:16:33 GMT
If Jade Goodey has the intellect and understanding and has undertaken the difficult studies involved I can see no reason why she should NOT have attained the "Royal Secret" any more than the man in the bus queue, the lady who works in the canteen, etc.
Knowledge and understanding, especially of the Mystic and Esoteric, are not limited by social class, occupation or even formal education or the lack of it. I have met people in very humble staions in life who have had knowledge well beyond some University Graduates.
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Post by vintagemalt on Dec 23, 2008 23:34:21 GMT
If Jade Goodey has the intellect and understanding and has undertaken the difficult studies involved I can see no reason why she should NOT have attained the "Royal Secret" any more than the man in the bus queue, the lady who works in the canteen, etc. Knowledge and understanding, especially of the Mystic and Esoteric, are not limited by social class, occupation or even formal education or the lack of it. I have met people in very humble staions in life who have had knowledge well beyond some University Graduates. OK ... OK ... Ok... So I was wrong ... Maybe Madonna, Britney Spears, Jane Goody and Old Uncle Tobley 'n all really do all have the Secret... Wish I hadnt bothered to reply really! One things for sure i really do not want to share the secret with any of them... But you can if you want to of course! Vm
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 23, 2008 23:52:31 GMT
So this secret is contained within Kabbala, various people have this secret. does noy matter all that much who they are.
Isn't it pretty rotten of them not to share this secret if it is such a wonderful thing.
Now I read the original post and carried out the instructions and I am just a miserable and poor as i was before.
conclusion the secret is
It is better to be rich and miserable than poor and miserable.
Ahuwale ka nane huna "That which was a secret is no longer hidden" (from 'Olelo No'eau, by Mary Kawena Pukui)
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Post by lauderdale on Dec 24, 2008 0:04:45 GMT
"Isn't it pretty rotten of them not to share this secret if it is such a wonderful thing."
This could be and is said by some of Freemasonry. After all we are a "Society with Secrets".
Once a secret is broadcast to all and sundry its ceases to be a secret.
If the Kabbala is meant to be understood after much study then so be it. In a way it reminds me of another body of knowledge which again has its secrets and of which understanding can only be achieved by years of hard work and study, one I have been in for 20 years now and I am still learning.
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Post by paulh on Dec 24, 2008 0:44:37 GMT
I compare the Creator to the Monarch Bee in the centre of an Extraordinary Beehive, I conjure an image of the Creator's mind as a full honeycomb and masonry as a 'Way' into the various cells of the honeycomb. In past centuries Masons held the beehive as an important symbol but these days it is commonly considered an injunction to work hard Your odd use of "Monarch Bee" is interesting. Of course Monarch often is connected to butterfly but here it reminds me of the strong connection of kingship with bees
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 25, 2008 3:36:03 GMT
That should be QUEENSHIP, shouldn't it? Didn't you know that the care of the beehives in ancient times, was designated to WOMEN, who were referred to as "melissae"? I seem to remember reading that there was a folk belief that bees don't sting women, and I have also heard that a beekeeper must let their bees know about any significant events in the family or they get upset. I have heard a number of curious true stories about "telling the bees". It is a fact that wild honeybees have almost completely died out and honeybees are now kept alive solely through human efforts.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 25, 2008 3:52:24 GMT
PS. As to "the opinions of non-Masons on Freemasonry", it is a FACT that I read 'The Hiram Key", and shortly thereafter, I suddenly started acquiring the most remarkable body of understanding of Masonic symbolism; it was as if a door had been opened in my psyche and information was pouring through it. (I will say here that I am a Hermetic Qabalist who acquired her understanding through meditation on the Tree of Life) Prior to reading "The Hiram Key" I had no interest in, or knowledge of, Freemasonry at all ; it was almost literally an "overnight transformation". When I read in "The Sufis" about the acquisition of knowledge and hearing through "direct transmission", as opposed to the laborious process of scholarship, I knew EXACTLY what they were talking about, having experienced that remarkable phenomenon for myself.
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Post by paulh on Dec 25, 2008 4:41:06 GMT
acquisition of knowledge and hearing through "direct transmission", as opposed to the laborious process of scholarship, I knew EXACTLY what they were talking about, having experienced that remarkable phenomenon for myself. Being the recipient is good but what needs to be done to be a provider of direct transmission?
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Post by shiloh on Dec 25, 2008 13:47:23 GMT
Hello Vajranagini, I did not say king, I did not say queen, I said 'monarch'. A queen consort, a woman who is not a king in her own right, but is the wife of a king, does not have the full powers of an absolute monarch; a queen regnant, such as the queen of England is a female king.
Paulh, I acquired my knowledge from neither man nor book but directly from the Creator. It was a long, arduous and sometimes terrifying process. Sometimes what I learned thrilled me to the bone, at other times it frightened me out of my wits and drove me to my knees in despair of losing my sanity.
The last information imparted was the Name of Names. This astounding piece of information (and, at that, to a Jew) was accompanied by fire in the form of the divine Face, rather like Moses' burning bush. The Face remained with me day and night for a full week, during which time I showed the image to my daughter and my best friend both of whom saw it as clearly as I.
Finally, everything came together and fear was replaced by great peace, immense love and gratitude.
Considering all that has been hidden from mankind, being a recipient is astonishing and enlightening. As I said, the newly found wisdom is accompanied by great peace but the truth has been hidden for so long and under such intense deception that one can't just blurt it out without losing one's credibility.
I believe all mankind has the right to know facts that are now shared by a 'privileged' few. I am doing what I can to impart what I know, but as you will see if you follow the responses to my posts in this forum, I am losing credibility with some and others find me ridiculous.
I am ignoring the negativity and pressing on while making every effort to remain within the constraints of masonry and this forum.
Shiloh
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 25, 2008 19:32:32 GMT
Dear Shiloh; I have read your other posts and find them ALL ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING, and NOT "boring" AT ALL. All that data about the planets...I cannot tell you how often a morsel of info about the physical nature of a planet has thrown tremendous light on its spiritual nature, as in "the nature of the Sephiroth".
I would like to say, I hope you continue to post, despite "opposition" and ridicule; I can assure you that this sort of thing is to be expected when you attempt to "reveal secrets", because it is an inherent phenomenon, the "secret protecting itself". Minds not ready to receive will see only absurdity in what you say; those which are, will "get it", either gradually or instantly. You might want to read some Idries Shah, about the nature of Sufic teaching(Tzufi, actually, as in "Tzaddik"); the phenomenon you are experiencing is described there. PS: Can you tell me anything about the "Lamed Vav"?
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Post by paulh on Dec 25, 2008 21:50:21 GMT
I am ignoring the negativity and pressing on For myself I am always interested in the intense spiritual experiences of others - particularly if I can connect with the energies and entities of the original event. In my current perspective the Creation is manifested in a spectrum that at least goes from matter to spirit. And there are various manifestations of Divinity in each octave of that spectrum. From the content of what you have shared, it seems to me that the focal point of Divinity that you have experienced is within the solar system. Is that your view? Perhaps you may wish to share more of your experiences
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Post by maximus on Dec 26, 2008 8:50:55 GMT
I am doing what I can to impart what I know, but as you will see if you follow the responses to my posts in this forum, I am losing credibility with some and others find me ridiculous. I am ignoring the negativity and pressing on while making every effort to remain within the constraints of masonry and this forum. Challenges to bold assertions should not be construed as negativity. When one makes assertions, one should be prepared to defend them with cogent arguments, rather than mystic gobbldy-gook. I have seen nothing so far that has not been gleaned from various books, and statements as to divine revelation. So far, we have learned no secrets.
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Post by shiloh on Dec 26, 2008 20:33:48 GMT
Paulh, the focal point of Divinity is very close to home. I remember these words from a classic novel, one that was obviously written by a very literate mason: 'Let's just call her a child of the Universe!' (One character in the book exclaimed delightedly), to which the other, wiser character replied knowingly, 'I'm afraid the Universe makes a very indifferent parent.' Maat might like to comment?
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 26, 2008 20:48:14 GMT
It is said that "God is closer to you than your jugular vein". And it definitely makes a difference to one's experience, if one is "on line" with God or if one is "indifferent" to God. It is said "It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God", and this is true; on the other hand, life takes on a depth and meaning it did not have previous to "Divine intervention". When I see all around me people with their meaningless superficial lives based on the media and consumerism, I reflect that I wouldn't trade a moment of suffering in the service of the Divine for a whole year or even a life of THAT.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 27, 2008 0:25:50 GMT
I am doing what I can to impart what I know, but as you will see if you follow the responses to my posts in this forum, I am losing credibility with some and others find me ridiculous. I am ignoring the negativity and pressing on while making every effort to remain within the constraints of masonry and this forum. Challenges to bold assertions should not be construed as negativity. When one makes assertions, one should be prepared to defend them with cogent arguments, rather than mystic gobbldy-gook. I have seen nothing so far that has not been gleaned from various books, and statements as to divine revelation. So far, we have learned no secrets. Actually, many "secrets" cannot be conveyed by words; they have to be EXPERIENCED organically. Once you have had, and assimilated "the experience" associated with a given "secret" you will understand for yourself why this is so. "Mystical gobbledygook" is the closest one can come to describing such "revelations" to those who have not had them. This is what is meant by "the secrets protect themselves". If you have ever, say, smoked cannabis, and suddenly had a brief period where you suddenly "knew the answer to everything", and then it faded like a dream, you have had a vague idea of what constitutes an 'experience. A "real" experience, however, is where one is permanently changed for the better, and there is no "fading away" of the realizations gained.
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Post by shiloh on Dec 29, 2008 23:38:16 GMT
Vajranagini said: A "real" experience, however, is where one is permanently changed for the better, and there is no "fading away" of the realizations gained.
Those words say it all. You have had the 'real' experience.
Shiloh
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