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Post by whistler on Jan 23, 2009 3:22:58 GMT
According to author James Churchward, MU was about 5,000 miles long and 3,000 miles wide, a beautiful tropical paradise like the Garden of Eden. He claims there were 64 million people who died in the sinking, and that it dated back over 50,000 years. The Pacific Islands are the remaining mountain peaks of the lost continent. Precise detailed maps of the lost continent of Mu and Atlantis were found on stone tablets from Pre-Inca Ica, Peru, by Dr. Javier Cabrera, engraved in stone and photographed by Robbert Charroux.
United Nations diplomat Farida Iskoviet, assistant to United Nations President Adam Malik, came to Maui in 1972 and researched Lemurian ruins and history and concluded that they were real.
One of Hawaii's leading authorities on Lemurian research was Sgt. Williard Wannall from Army Intelligence in Oahu. He reported that ruins of a submerged Lemurian city was between Maui and Oahu. It was a Top Secret project in Naval Intelligence in 1972.
Nearly One Galactic Year ago, 26,000 years, was the Golden Age of the Empire of the Sun, when humanity lived in peace, love, harmony and prosperity beyond anything we can imagine in these 1990's. As our Sun Star orbits around the Central sun, we are now entering the first rays of the Aquarian force field, as we leave the rays of the Piscean force field. We are now on the Cusp, feeling both the vibrations of a dying age and the dawn of a new age. This Is the Cosmic Science of Mu based on the writings of James Churchward and Dr. George Hunt Williamson, who spent dozens of years studying ancient writings from Mu.
The sun of the Empire of the Sun was the cosmic symbol for the primary creative energies radiating from the central sun in the center of the universe, the beneficial energies of time and space from higher dimensions, the source of all life, matter. and energy. The sun further represented in microcosm the sun within every human being, the invisible eternal flame that united man with his cosmic creator. The Lemurian (Mu) people believed that the sun within man was located in the "third eye', the invisible eye within us that is tuned into our innermost visions.
According to Churchward, much of the Mu civilization lived in homes with transparent roofs. They were free from stress and disease lived to be hundreds of years old, developing their E.S.P. abilities through nearly 40,000 years of societal practice and experimentation. With that many centuries of evolution, the Mu gained their reputation or telepathy, astral travel and teleportation . . . making land vehicles unnecessary.
Most of those who have written about Lemuria claim they were primarily socially a vegetarian, agricultural, outdoor, organic culture that worked in harmony with nature and the land, having little use for scientific technology. Lemurians had concentrated on meditation and Extra sensory perception (ESP) development.
Lemuria had relatively little interest in Atlantean technology and preferred to experiment with psychic energies to move objects (proven by Uri Gellar during his research at Stanford University in the 1970's), although they did use ultra-high frequency sonic, solar energy, crystal energy, and teleportation to build and move objects as well. Just a thought where was the New President Born - Might it be a good idea to have a President with good connections during the December Solstice in 2012
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Post by maximus on Jan 23, 2009 5:44:01 GMT
There was no lost continent of Mu. Churchward made it all up. You would think a continent that streched from Hawaii to Easter Island with 64,000,000 inhabitants would have left some evidence. But no. Zip. Nada.
A lot of these types of Authors just make crap up out of thin air.
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Post by paulh on Jan 23, 2009 8:48:23 GMT
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Post by whistler on Jan 23, 2009 10:02:20 GMT
And More we wish to go back and tell you a little bit about the ancient Lemurian experience, and just touch on a couple of items that may help you understand a bit more about this profound family.
Again, we wish to advise you: Do not go back in your time frame, in your anthropology, in your sociology, any further than 100,000 years, because you won't find anyone like you. Sometimes this statement has been misunderstood or even misinterpreted to say that there were no Humans before 100,000 years ago. That is ridiculous. What we're saying is that the earth that was created for your Human test went through many stages, all needed and necessary. Your spiritual and conscious development didn't happen all at once. Indeed, hundreds of thousands of years were part of the Lemurian past. They're the core race of the planet. They're older than the Sumerians, and also those from the Indus Valley. They were here long enough for their language to evolve and change grandly and greatly and provide the seeds of some of the most profound languages that you know today... of the Egyptians, the Israelis, the and the Polynesians... all derivatives of what we'll call the original language of Solara Maru. In these languages were contained basic truths that even today you grapple with, and it's due to something that the Lemurians had, but that you don't. Let me talk about the Lemurian, the physical ones on Earth long ago. They were the core race, but they're not like you are today.
The Seed Biology The first is their grandness. This was the race that received the seed biology from the stars. What you call your beginning humanity was provided through the Lemurians by the Pleiadians. The energy from the Seven Sisters came and visited physically, and this off-world energy contributed to the Lemurian experience, even to the culture, to their race, and the way they looked.
The Lemurians walked upon this earth with a dimensional quality that had attributes beyond yours. The Lemurians understood interdimensionality long before Telos. They were also aware, over time, that there was a devolution going on (an expression that we will use as the opposite of evolution), and that they were losing certain abilities. In addition, they were also aware that their time was limited at a certain point on the planet as they realized the inevitable water was coming. This devolution was due simply to the fact that some of what they were given by the Pleiadians did not survive over time within the energy of planet Earth.
There have been those who have asked how physical beings like Humans, back then, could suddenly decide to become interdimensional and enter a mountain and stay there with the attributes of a time capsule [the Lemurian story of Telos and Shasta]. That is too unbelievable! It's not something that you can conceive, and it becomes eye-rolling information to those who hear it. Truly, it's because the Lemurians had a perception, given to them by the Pleiadians, that was equivalent to one more dimension than you have.
Let's back up for a moment and do some disclosure. We know that talking about a race of beginning Humans who had extra-dimensional perception is a wild idea. But there's some evidence, and I will now give you something to think about: The closest ancient race that you have artifacts for are the Sumerians. Now, the Sumerians were far removed from the Lemurians in time, but they still possessed a bit of the awareness that the Lemurians provided in their culture. All these things happened over thousands of years. The challenge: Go take a look at the Sumerian artifacts. First of all, you'll see that their computations were all base-6 (a derivative of base-12 math, and a staple of nature and real physics). Next, the artifact known as The Berlin Seal clearly shows that they knew all about your solar system! They knew of the motion of your planets, and even that some had rings... all without any evidence of this culture having telescopes.
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Post by maximus on Jan 23, 2009 12:00:44 GMT
You would think a continent that streched from Hawaii to Easter Island with 64,000,000 inhabitants would have left some evidence. But no. Zip. Nada. I take it then that you discount the anomalous stone structures throughout the Pacific. Travellers have been writing about their strangeness for several centuries. It dosen't mean they are from the lost continent of Mu. People make stuff up all the time about things they do not understand, reference the Airplane Cult in New Guinea. The blatherings of an author do not good archaeology or anthropology make.
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Post by paulh on Jan 23, 2009 12:20:22 GMT
It dosen't mean they are from the lost continent of Mu. Quite so But I rather thought that you were asserting that that evidence is not from Mu. I wonder how you know that there is " Zip. Nada.". Do you have some inside knowledge?
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Post by maximus on Jan 23, 2009 12:59:09 GMT
It dosen't mean they are from the lost continent of Mu. Quite so But I rather thought that you were asserting that that evidence is not from Mu. I wonder how you know that there is " Zip. Nada.". Do you have some inside knowledge? Do you? Are you maintaining that they are from MU? Churchward claimed that he obtained his knowledge from a man in India that spoke an ancient dead language that was only understood by three people in the entire world. Is this a credible source? Or would common sense dictate that this is BS? If you are asserting that these are the remains of a Lemurian civilization, then it is up to you to provide evidence, not up to me to disprove it. That is akin to stating that a race of pink flying monkeys exists in an uncharted region of Anarctica, then challenging me to prove they do not exist. Claims such as are made by people like Churchward, Sitchen, Fort, et all, are to be taken with a large grain of salt, as they are nothing but psuedoscience, based not in fact, but in speculation. That thier ideas are taken as gospel by many people speaks to the credulity of people, who believe what they wish in spite of the improbability of the theory.
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Post by whistler on Jan 23, 2009 17:52:30 GMT
Maximus Claims such as are made by people like Churchward, Sitchen, Fort, et all, are to be taken with a large grain of salt, as they are nothing but psuedoscience, based not in fact, but in speculation. That thier ideas are taken as gospel by many people speaks to the credulity of people, who believe what they wish in spite of the improbability of the theory. It may be wise for you to ponder how humans as a specie came to be on planet Earth Could it be. a) The Cute Adam and Eve Story b) The mad Science of a few cells getting together and spending many years to make a Man c) Some folk from a Far off place in the Galaxy came along and left a few seeds. Now I wonder which you consider the most credible
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Post by maximus on Jan 23, 2009 19:55:26 GMT
Whistler
Straw man.
Try again, without attemping to divert attention off of the subject, please. I'm looking for proof of the exisience of the lost continent of Mu, and evidence of it's 64,000,000 inhabitants.
Extraordinary claims require extraodinary proof.
Geology is on my side. Plate tectonics and deep oceanographic surveys discount the possibility that a major continent existed in the middle of the Pacific.
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Post by whistler on Jan 23, 2009 21:10:40 GMT
Yes the subject was Lemurians and the possibility of their origins/ existance
Straw Man - No Man who wonders about possibilities on all levels - Yes most certainly Plate tectonics and deep oceanographic Wonder where the plan of those works came from
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Post by paulh on Jan 23, 2009 22:06:22 GMT
Max
You said there is no evidence of Mu. I wonder how you know that
I used to review government departments and found plenty of evidence but it often turned out later to be evidence for something quite different from what I first thought
I do not know how you can be sure there is no evidence for Mu
For myself I think that claiming a popular theory about an ocean formation discounts existence of a central continent is not really a disproof. It is more a matter of harmonising personal beliefs.
I have provided a number of examples of stone structures for which the originating civilisations are unknown. Any of those might be from Mu. Would you like to take them one at a time and explain why each could not be from a common civilisation now called Mu?
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Post by maximus on Jan 24, 2009 5:46:04 GMT
Max You said there is no evidence of Mu. I wonder how you know that Because there is no evidence of Mu. An anecdote irrelevant to the discussion. As I said before, there is no evidence for Mu. The tale all hinges on one man, who wrote a book based on a supposed dead language that only three people in the world understood. Does this not seem highly suspect. I could make up some story and make similar claims. What dead language? Where is his proof that this language existed? Why was it in India that he discovered this? A "popular theory?" Plate tectonics is a scientific fact, not a "personal belief." From Wikipedia: "Modern geological knowledge rules out "lost continents" of any significant size. According to the theory of plate tectonics, which has been extensively confirmed over the past 40 years, the Earth's crust consists of lighter "sial" rocks (rich in aluminum silicates) that float on heavier "sima" rocks (richer in magnesium silicates). The sial is generally absent or a few kilometres thick at the bottom of the oceans, while the continents are huge solid blocks tens of kilometers thick. Since continents float on the sima much like icebergs float on water, a continent cannot simply "sink" under the ocean. It is true that continental drift and seafloor spreading can change the shape and position of continents, and occasionally break a continent into two or more pieces (as happened to Pangaea). However, these are very slow processes that occur in geological time scales (hundreds of millions of years). Over the scale of anthropology and history (tens of thousands of years), the sima under the continental crust can be considered solid, and the continents are basically anchored on it. It is all but certain that the continents and ocean floors have retained their present position and shape for the whole span of human existence. There is also no conceivable event that could have "destroyed" a continent, since its huge mass of sial rocks would have to end up somewhere—and there is no trace of it at the bottom of the oceans. The Pacific Ocean islands are not part of a submerged landmass, but rather the tips of isolated volcanoes. This is the case, in particular, of Easter Island, which is a recent volcanic peak surrounded by deep ocean (3,000 m deep at 30 km off the island). After visiting the island in the 1930s, Alfred Metraux observed that the moai platforms are concentrated along the current coast of the island, which implies that the island's shape has changed little since they were built. Moreover, the "Triumphal Road" that Pierre Loti had reported ran from the island to the submerged lands below, is actually a natural lava flow [12]. Furthermore, while Churchward was correct in his claim that the island has no sandstone or sedimentary rocks, the point is moot because the pukao are all made of native volcanic scoria." If you are asserting that they are evidence of Mu, again, it is incumbant upon you to provide the evidence. If you have such, then I suggest that you publish it in a relevant scientific journal for peer review, so that we may all be enlightened. [/quote]
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Post by paulh on Jan 24, 2009 6:42:01 GMT
" A "popular theory?" Plate tectonics is a scientific fact, not a "personal belief."" It is good to believe in things but scientific theories are not always good choices For example: "Plate tectonics – the reigning paradigm in the earth sciences – faces some very severe and apparently fatal problems. Far from being a simple, elegant, all-embracing global theory, it is confronted with a multitude of observational anomalies, and has had to be patched up with a complex variety of ad-hoc modifications and auxiliary hypotheses. The existence of deep continental roots and the absence of a continuous, global asthenosphere to "lubricate" plate motions, have rendered the classical model of plate movements untenable. There is no consensus on the thickness of the "plates" and no certainty as to the forces responsible for their supposed movement. The hypotheses of large-scale continental movements, seafloor spreading and subduction, and the relative youth of the oceanic crust are contradicted by a substantial volume of data. Evidence for significant amounts of submerged continental crust in the present-day oceans provides another major challenge to plate tectonics. The fundamental principles of plate tectonics therefore require critical reexamination, revision, or rejection. " ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/tecto.htm#conDo you like this bit: " Evidence for significant amounts of submerged continental crust in the present-day oceans provides another major challenge" I wonder if "submerged continental crust in the present day oceans" is the same as a submerged continent?
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Post by maximus on Jan 24, 2009 13:56:35 GMT
And what do we find when we go to the homepage of the site you reference? Exploring TheosophyTheosophy contradicting real science? Who would have guessed?
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Post by paulh on Jan 24, 2009 20:03:03 GMT
First published in the Journal of Scientific Exploration, vol. 14, no. 3, pp. 307-352, 2000
The Society for Scientific Exploration (SSE) is an organization of scientists and scholars studying unusual and unexplained phenomena. Subjects often cross mainstream boundaries, such as consciousness, ufos, and alternative medicine, yet often have profound implications for human knowledge and technology. All topics are therefore welcome for review.
EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE (BY ELECTION)
President Professor Garret Moddel Department of Electrical & Computer Engineering University of Colorado Boulder, Colorado
Vice President Professor Robert G. Jahn School of Engineering & Applied Science Princeton University Princeton, New Jersey
Secretary Professor Mark Urban-Lurain College of Natural Science Michigan State University East Lansing, Michigan
Treasurer John H Reed, M.D. Fraser, Michigan
Education Officer Brenda J. Dunne ICRL Princeton, New Jersey
President Emeritus Professor Charlie Tolbert Department of Astronomy University of Virginia Charlottesville, Virgina
President Emeritus Professor Peter A. Sturrock Department of Physics & Department of Applied Physics Stanford University Palo Alto, California
So may I take it that your assessment of the evidence presented in that paper showing the difficulties of plate tectonics as a theory is that the paper might have been reproduced online by a Theosophist?
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Post by maximus on Jan 24, 2009 23:03:22 GMT
There are scientists who buy in to anthropogenic global warming as well.
And many, many more who oppose it.
Just as there are many, many more who oppose there having been a continent in the middle of the Pacific.
Printing thier names would be pointless.
Just as this thread is.
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Post by Azaziel on Jan 25, 2009 3:02:48 GMT
Im with maximus on this, if a continent had 64 million people, there should be lots of evidence, and people as advanced as you say would have forseen and predicated their fate and taken steps to ensure their surival
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Post by whistler on Feb 1, 2009 7:15:37 GMT
Maximus; To go back to my question of you It may be wise for you to ponder how humans as a specie came to be on planet Earth Could it be. a) The Cute Adam and Eve Story b) The mad Science of a few cells getting together and spending many years to make a Man c) Some folk from a Far off place in the Galaxy came along and left a few seeds. Now I wonder which you consider the most credible
I guess you could search the web for an answer but if you found one it might not be your view - what is your opinion on such a fundamental question.
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Post by paulh on Feb 1, 2009 8:29:41 GMT
be pointless. Just as this thread is. Verb. sap.
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Post by maat on Feb 2, 2009 0:44:14 GMT
Im with maximus on this, if a continent had 64 million people, there should be lots of evidence, and people as advanced as you say would have forseen and predicated their fate and taken steps to ensure their surival In the past 50 years 99,820,000 people (just counting the largish statistics) have been exterminated.... by their fellow man, who is much less powerful than nature at is 'worst'. www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/ssrg/misc/misery.htmlDid you notice? Did you know about this, what with our modern forms of communication? Could our technology have prevented cyclone Katrina or the tsunami in Indonesia? Indonesia has a population of 237,000,000 and it is unstable - tsunamis, earthquakes, active volcanoes... remember Krakatoa, which exploded in 1883 with a force 13,000 times that of the atomic bomb used at Hiroshima. If the very worst happened there would people a millenium or ten later know they ever existed? Maat
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