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Post by letterorhalveit3 on Dec 8, 2009 5:48:09 GMT
Brad-
I was not belittling or harassing you. I wasnt even talking about you, so Im not sure why you feel it necessary to respond that way. It would seem this is a sore subject with you, but again, I wasnt talkig about you, simply discussing the topic at hand.
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Post by magusmasonica on Dec 8, 2009 5:51:06 GMT
Brad- I was not belittling or harassing you. I wasnt even talking about you, so Im not sure why you feel it necessary to respond that way. It would seem this is a sore subject with you, but again, I wasnt talkig about you, simply discussing the topic at hand. Seeing how you have accused me in this thread of "selling" Freemasonry to unsuspecting dupes my reaction is justifiable. So, the AA & EF is not for you. You are a tried and true mainstreamer. Good for you. Move on.
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Post by letterorhalveit3 on Dec 8, 2009 6:17:34 GMT
Brad-
that was long ago and if you remember correctly i apologized and retracted the statement. Now lets please get back on topic so as not to disrupt the thread for the rest of the forumites.
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Post by magusmasonica on Dec 8, 2009 22:59:33 GMT
Brad- that was long ago and if you remember correctly i apologized and retracted the statement. Now lets please get back on topic so as not to disrupt the thread for the rest of the forumites. What more do you have to ad to the topic? You have made it clear that you do not approve of the AA&EF as well as any other "non traditional" Masonic body. What have I missed?
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Post by happyzealot on Dec 9, 2009 6:29:43 GMT
Partisan zealot here, checking in and saying 'howdy!'
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Post by magusmasonica on Dec 9, 2009 6:57:12 GMT
Partisan zealot here, checking in and saying 'howdy!' At least you have learned to love your handcuffs Jared, I'll give you that. Just don't get so bent up when other refuse to put them on. Love and Light,
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Post by happyzealot on Dec 9, 2009 7:33:24 GMT
At least you have learned to love your handcuffs Jared, I'll give you that. Just don't get so bent up when other refuse to put them on. Love and Light, Handcuffs? Hardly. To be able to travel in foreign countries, work and receive a MM's wages, to build and maintain real friendship with true brethren, to ponder and learn from the light taught in our ceremonies... all of that is a far cry from enchainment.
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Post by magusmasonica on Dec 9, 2009 7:42:27 GMT
At least you have learned to love your handcuffs Jared, I'll give you that. Just don't get so bent up when other refuse to put them on. Love and Light, Handcuffs? Hardly. To be able to travel in foreign countries, work and receive a MM's wages, to build and maintain real friendship with true brethren, to ponder and learn from the light taught in our ceremonies... all of that is a far cry from enchainment. Us non mainstreamers have those same benifits. In fact I have sat in lodges in three countries and next year at least three more. I work with Brethren from all around the world all the time. I just get the benifit of totally ignoring your Masonic code. The best of both worlds. Some need to be told what to do, we get it. Love and Light,
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Post by happyzealot on Dec 9, 2009 7:46:56 GMT
Us non mainstreamers have those same benifits. In fact I have sat in lodges in three countries and next year at least three more. I work with Brethren from all around the world all the time. I just get the benifit of totally ignoring your Masonic code. The best of both worlds. Some need to be told what to do, we get it. Love and Light, Maybe that's how you see it, having struck out on your own as it were to forge some brave new Masonic territory. But do you employ your rhetoric to characterise the 'mainstream' as fettered so that your own movement looks so rebellious, sexy, postmodern, and cool? Sometimes your badmouthing of the 'mainstream' goes beyond vitriol, hence the question.
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Post by magusmasonica on Jan 5, 2010 0:53:31 GMT
A brave new Masonic furture is be forged. This very second, all over the world. It is sexy and IMHO pretty damned cool. but is also very demanding, difficult and downright hard. Not for the institutionalized nor weak willed. I understand the path of the independent isn't easy. I also understand that it is not for everyone, nor do I recommend it as if it where. Happy New Year!
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Post by letterorhalveit3 on Jan 6, 2010 5:41:33 GMT
Us non mainstreamers have those same benifits. In fact I have sat in lodges in three countries and next year at least three more. I work with Brethren from all around the world all the time. I just get the benifit of totally ignoring your Masonic code. The best of both worlds. Some need to be told what to do, we get it. Love and Light, Maybe that's how you see it, having struck out on your own as it were to forge some brave new Masonic territory. But do you employ your rhetoric to characterise the 'mainstream' as fettered so that your own movement looks so rebellious, sexy, postmodern, and cool? Sometimes your badmouthing of the 'mainstream' goes beyond vitriol, hence the question. Happyzealot you must have a laser sight on your hammer because you hit the nail squarely on the head with that one. To be honest, Im not sure how one applies the term "post modern" to Masonry. The term is most often used to refers to the arts, literature, architectural styles, etc. Ive never heard it used to reference a "peculiar system of morality." Though I suppose there is post-modern philosophy. But post modern alchemy? i have to say the use of the term to refer to Masonry confuses more than it bothers me. Im sure there will be some virtiol slung at me for saying the application of the term to the Craft or imitations of the Craft confuses me, but thats ok.
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Post by magusmasonica on Jan 6, 2010 7:21:05 GMT
Maybe that's how you see it, having struck out on your own as it were to forge some brave new Masonic territory. But do you employ your rhetoric to characterise the 'mainstream' as fettered so that your own movement looks so rebellious, sexy, postmodern, and cool? Sometimes your badmouthing of the 'mainstream' goes beyond vitriol, hence the question. Happyzealot you must have a laser sight on your hammer because you hit the nail squarely on the head with that one. To be honest, Im not sure how one applies the term "post modern" to Masonry. The term is most often used to refers to the arts, literature, architectural styles, etc. Ive never heard it used to reference a "peculiar system of morality." Though I suppose there is post-modern philosophy. But post modern alchemy? i have to say the use of the term to refer to Masonry confuses more than it bothers me. Im sure there will be some virtiol slung at me for saying the application of the term to the Craft or imitations of the Craft confuses me, but thats ok. this seems like deja vu, but at the remote possibility that you are actually sincere let me educate you. The application of Post-Modern in Post-Modern Freemasonry does not imply postmodernism anymore than Modern Freemasonry implies modernism. Post-Modern Freemasonry is simply a differentiator. We get accused of attempting to dupe people into believing that when they join a Post-Modern lodge they will be joining the same knife and fork lodge they have in their hometown. Now, anyone of any intelligence would get the gaslighting effect of such accusation but the accusations continue. Post-Modern simply means "after modern." Seeing how Modern Freemasonry was established in 1717 and Post-Modern Freemasonry in 2009 I would say that qualifies. ;D Love and Light,
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Post by letterorhalveit3 on Jan 6, 2010 21:27:25 GMT
Am I correct that you claim to have coined the term "Post Modern Masonry?"
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Post by magusmasonica on Jan 6, 2010 22:52:14 GMT
Am I correct that you claim to have coined the term "Post Modern Masonry?" Nope. It is not an one individual , but a cooperative that makes up Post-Modern Freemasonry.
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Post by mgc on Jan 9, 2010 17:02:34 GMT
if id mention all positive aspects u can xperience in prison, but neglect to mention the restrictions, u could be forgiven for taking it as paradise (like free meals, accomodation, education.. lots of free time, etc).. r there any restrictions ud like to add?
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Post by letterorhalveit3 on Jan 9, 2010 22:48:53 GMT
I should think that one drawback or restriction would be that while most (to use Brad's term) Post-Modern Masonic obediences recognize and allow visitation and Masonic interaction with Mainstream Masons, the reverse is not true. I would also think that some Lodge's not recognized by "Regular" obediences, such as GOUSA and the GW Union would also not recognized the self designated Post Modern Freemasonry.
Im also curious as to the origins of the term Post Modern Freemasonry. Ive done a couple quick searches and the only place I find the application of the term is to Lodge Napolean, Lodge Hera and the "Egyptian Masonic" orders.
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Post by magusmasonica on Jan 10, 2010 1:10:54 GMT
I should think that one drawback or restriction would be that while most (to use Brad's term) Post-Modern Masonic obediences recognize and allow visitation and Masonic interaction with Mainstream Masons, the reverse is not true. I would also think that some Lodge's not recognized by "Regular" obediences, such as GOUSA and the GW Union would also not recognized the self designated Post Modern Freemasonry. Im also curious as to the origins of the term Post Modern Freemasonry. Ive done a couple quick searches and the only place I find the application of the term is to Lodge Napolean, Lodge Hera and the "Egyptian Masonic" orders. I would love it if someday you would post on what you know, as opposed to what you speculate. Both the GOUSA and the GWU are "open" systems who recognize all Masons. I have a standing invitation to visit Lodge Benjamin Franklin and Lodge Praxis- GOUSA and I hope to take advantage of those this year. I have sat in Lodge Golden Journey -GWU a few times and I would gladly do so again. Love and Light,
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Post by letterorhalveit3 on Jan 10, 2010 2:19:51 GMT
I should think that one drawback or restriction would be that while most (to use Brad's term) Post-Modern Masonic obediences recognize and allow visitation and Masonic interaction with Mainstream Masons, the reverse is not true. I would also think that some Lodge's not recognized by "Regular" obediences, such as GOUSA and the GW Union would also not recognized the self designated Post Modern Freemasonry. Im also curious as to the origins of the term Post Modern Freemasonry. Ive done a couple quick searches and the only place I find the application of the term is to Lodge Napolean, Lodge Hera and the "Egyptian Masonic" orders. I would love it if someday you would post on what you know, as opposed to what you speculate. Both the GOUSA and the GWU are "open" systems who recognize all Masons. I have a standing invitation to visit Lodge Benjamin Franklin and Lodge Praxis- GOUSA and I hope to take advantage of those this year. I have sat in Lodge Golden Journey -GWU a few times and I would gladly do so again. Love and Light, Hey, if Im wrong Im wrong. Im surprised to learn that you are welcome in GOUSA Lodges when you have been banned from their internet forum. Sorry. My mistake.
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Post by bobash on Feb 23, 2010 17:44:48 GMT
I just get the benifit of totally ignoring your Masonic code. The best of both worlds. It's interesting to me that you would consider this a benefit. In my obedience, the Ob is what defines me as a Mason. Don't get me wrong, I really don't care about your practice; after all there are lots of groups that have no Ob. But to call it Masonry...well, I can see why many would object. I'm also a US Marine, another initiatic order. Lots of guys will say they're Marines, even though they've never been to bootcamp. Some other Marines make quite a sport of exposing these men, but personally I just let it go.
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Post by KNOs1s on Feb 23, 2010 18:59:29 GMT
I just get the benifit of totally ignoring your Masonic code. The best of both worlds. It's interesting to me that you would consider this a benefit. In my obedience, the Ob is what defines me as a Mason. Don't get me wrong, I really don't care about your practice; after all there are lots of groups that have no Ob. But to call it Masonry...well, I can see why many would object. I'm also a US Marine, another initiatic order. Lots of guys will say they're Marines, even though they've never been to bootcamp. Some other Marines make quite a sport of exposing these men, but personally I just let it go. That's the point. IF you ignore the code, you remain ignorant of any benefits. And you will NEVER know the difference.
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