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Post by kromedragon on Apr 14, 2009 6:54:30 GMT
Is there some method of measuring the change of energy in the room when we speak ordinary words?
Could we use this to measure the emotive energy evoked when we speak out a mantra, a chant, a spell, a political slogan, or even ancient texts or religious scripture? How would we be able to measure emotion on a scientific basis?
Can we translate emotional energy into electrical energy and measure on a volt meter?
Perhaps an "emote" could be a single unit of emotive energy.
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Post by paulh on Apr 14, 2009 10:06:53 GMT
Energy of course can exist at various frequencies, some of which are currently detectable by physical means and others are more easily (at present) detected by biological entities. Machines for direct measurement of emotional energies machines using conventional science are not in the public domain and may not exist. Unconventional science may however be of use and you may like to consider the principles of the work done with etheric physics. www.rainengineering.com/The site above uses the chemical ether (Steiner term) - a sub-plane within the physical plane. Of course to measure emotional events directly it is necessary to operate above the physical plane, but the same principles may well apply. Sound now appears to be quantised like light. In the future, it may turn out that emotional energies are also quantised. This may lead to direct measurement of quantum effects but perhaps not in this lifetime In the absence of a human science of astral vibration, it is still possible to measure emotional energies indirectly - by their impact upon a suitably sensitive and motile entity - such as an untraumatised plant, human or animal. (If the subject has been traumatised responses may be excessively non-linear) Thus in the simplest form you can wire a plant to a sensitive voltmeter and record its reactions to various emotional events. You would of course need to make due allowance for the plant learning what you are doing and playing its own game. Cheers
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Post by ruffashlar on Apr 14, 2009 15:16:33 GMT
Is there some method of measuring the change of energy in the room when we speak ordinary words? Could we use this to measure the emotive energy evoked when we speak out a mantra, a chant, a spell, a political slogan, or even ancient texts or religious scripture?
I should think any alteration in emotional response would be highly subjective, and depend entirely on the individual's associations with the sound being produced.
For example, the sound made by the wind as it whips around a house on a stormy night reduplicates the sound of a human voice making a ghostly moaning. Being as it is simply air transmitted at speed, vibrating as it moves across the building's surfaces, it actually and objectively is the same phenomenon as a human voice, but without a guiding intellect or intelligible meaning. Subjectively, however, even to one fully aware of its significance, the sound can make the spine tingle and the flesh crawl.
How would we be able to measure emotion on a scientific basis?
That is to assume one value to each emotion and its accompanying stimulus, as if they were notes on a scale. you might as well try to measure emotional response to music. But the question on my lips is, more than anything, why?
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Post by kromedragon on Apr 15, 2009 6:01:55 GMT
Thus in the simplest form you can wire a plant to a sensitive voltmeter and record its reactions to various emotional events. You would of course need to make due allowance for the plant learning what you are doing and playing its own game. So basically, before connecting the electrodes of my digital voltmeter to the plant, I should first use a process of "shielding" to lock out any other "malicious" entities who might be residing within or near the plant; because these might sabotage the voltmeter readings! In my experiment, i will stand before the plant and recite passages from various spiritual ancient text, mantras, chants and slogans. The plant should best be a flower plant, shrub, a tree with our without fruit??? Could a fruit or a vegetable, or a bouquet flower be used instead of a plant in the very same experiment?
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Post by kromedragon on Apr 15, 2009 6:32:16 GMT
you might as well try to measure emotional response to music. But the question on my lips is, more than anything, why?I want to measure the occultic psionic properties of various sounds, words, sound syllables, phrases of different languages, various ancient texts, spiritual writings of saints and sages, religious texts. I want to measure the psionic emotive values in the names of various dieties, particularly Ishtar/Isis. I also want to measure the psionic emotive values in sumerian inscriptions on ishtars gate and at Babylon, if I can get a taped recording of someone who knows the language. Why? Just Curious? Following my analytical instincts! I want to get at the secrets behind the secrets.
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Post by paulh on Apr 15, 2009 7:49:47 GMT
So basically, before connecting the electrodes of my digital voltmeter to the plant, I should first use a process of "shielding" to lock out any other "malicious" entities who might be residing within or near the plant; because these might sabotage the voltmeter readings! I was rather meaning that the plant entity may well be of sufficient intelligence to understand what you are up to and deliberately vary its responses to the same stimulus. The plant should best be a flower plant, shrub, a tree with our without fruit??? Could a fruit or a vegetable, or a bouquet flower be used instead of a plant in the very same experiment? You may like to start by reading The Secret Life of Plants en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Life_of_Plants where this technique was explained. As to choice of plant, I suggest you find some house plants in pots, preferably ones that have been in the house for some time and used to humans. Then explain to them what you intend to do and ask if any wish to be part of your experiments. You may well find an emotional response from one or more. With bigger plants you may see the leaves start to move even though there is no breeze or draft. I suggest that you do not proceed further until you can sense whether a plant entity is pleased or displeased. If you cannot sense that you are likely to lose their cooperation and not know it There will be technical issues with attaching electrodes and voltage ranges and suitable operating conditions. If you ask a cooperative plant entity it may well push images into your mind as to how to do things. Cheers
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Post by ruffashlar on Apr 15, 2009 13:32:27 GMT
I want to measure the occultic psionic properties of various sounds, words, sound syllables, phrases of different languages, various ancient texts, spiritual writings of saints and sages, religious texts.You say psionic, but if the test subject is a plant, that lifeform might (if I were to be at my most charitable and openminded) be said rationally to possess only limited psionic properties at best - such as that exhibited by a sleeping animal, for example. I can't with honesty say I know to what extent a plant possesses any psionic ability or receptivity; but I wouldn't bank on it having any whatsoever. I know I might come across as a bit of an old sceptic - it's what I am, and I make no apologies for it - but at least I know I'm not a closed-minded one. I don't know the chances of getting any response from those plants, but I'll certainly admit it sounds an interesting experiment Good luck with it. I want to measure the psionic emotive values in the names of various dieties, particularly Ishtar/Isis. I also want to measure the psionic emotive values in sumerian inscriptions on ishtars gate and at Babylon, if I can get a taped recording of someone who knows the language. There you might run into difficulties, since to the best of my knowledge the Egyptians did not record the vowels of their language with any kind of reproducible accuracy. The Sumerians and Babylonians were a bit more helpful in this regard Why? Just Curious? Following my analytical instincts! I want to get at the secrets behind the secrets. Well, that's good enough for me. It's why we're here!
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Post by kromedragon on Apr 15, 2009 13:55:35 GMT
Paulh: Thank you. I am going to research the link of secret life of plants.
Ruffashler: Thank you for the info on Egyptian, Sumerain, languages. I am going to have to google and ask about for anyone who knows the earliest possible dialects or sister languages which might guide me as to how the original sumerian language must be pronounced and spoken.
To Paulh and Ruffashler: There might be surviving astral entities from Babylonians times who might still use that language.....i wonder. Depends if they have long life spans or perhaps their tribe has preserved the ancient lingua.
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Post by ruffashlar on Apr 15, 2009 14:07:23 GMT
The Babylonians seem to have taken most of their literature from the Sumerians. Unfortunately, the language of Sumer, being that of the dominant kingdom in the area, is the only tongue from its language group to have survived in written form.
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Post by maat on Apr 16, 2009 1:14:06 GMT
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Post by paulh on Apr 16, 2009 1:47:46 GMT
There might be surviving astral entities from Babylonians times who might still use that language I doubt that astral entities use physical plane words for communication. Nevertheless on higher planes there are higher correspondences to speech that have power to impulse other entities - in the beginning was the Word.
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Post by kromedragon on Apr 16, 2009 11:02:46 GMT
I doubt that astral entities use physical plane words for communication. Nevertheless on higher planes there are higher correspondences to speech that have power to impulse other entities - in the beginning was the Word. So the true pronunciation of YHWH would impulse entities and realms on a cosmic level. YHWH pronounced correctly and with the correct understanding should unleash divine forces of staggering proportions, cataclysmic energies, of nebulous proportions, a particle physicists dream. I feel the Meshiach knows this Word Name of G-d, YHWH. He would also know other similar words perhaps. Or other subtle variations of the same logos. THere must be multitude of subtle variations concealed with in that one Name of G-d, YHWH.
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Post by kromedragon on Apr 16, 2009 15:48:00 GMT
YHWH pronounced correctly and with the correct understanding should unleash divine forces of staggering proportions, cataclysmic energies, of nebulous proportions, a particle physicists dream... Nope. This is the most common misconception surrounding the Word. The Word can never be pronounced "correctly"; expressing the Word correctly though unleashes the very power of Creation. P If one's pronunciation of the Word is 25 % correct, would we then be able to unleash 25% of the power of creation? If this is true, then to pronounce the Word only 0.0000001% correctly would unleash 0.0000001 % the power of creation, which would be enough to power a planet like Nibiru into its own star-ship-like voyage across the megaverses, for all eternity.
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Post by kromedragon on Apr 17, 2009 3:22:30 GMT
Prometheus: So if we were to express the Word partially correctly, would we then unleash the Power in that proportion.
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Post by paulh on Apr 17, 2009 3:57:56 GMT
I wonder if "word" is used allegorically.
What then is a "word" when impulsed on higher planes?
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Post by kromedragon on Apr 17, 2009 6:07:53 GMT
I wonder if "word" is used allegorically. What then is a "word" when impulsed on higher planes? I feel that a "word" on a higher plane is an idea in thought form having emotive force. I feel it borrows this emotive energy from the soul's inherent spiritual force once the word is spoken. Infact this would happen just when the word is thought mentally even before being spoken.
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Post by paulh on Apr 17, 2009 7:42:08 GMT
this would happen just when the word is thought mentally Might I suggest that thoughts take the form of words only on the lower levels of the mind? Thus higher thoughts may not use words at all.
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Post by kromedragon on Apr 17, 2009 12:17:27 GMT
Paulh: so telephathy is the norm of the day in higher planes. There is no need for oratory or lingual mechanisms in the biology of the inhabitants of those planes.
Subterfuge, and deception cannot exist there because every intention is telepathic tranmitted on to a "common" screen. Everyone one nealy would know everyone.
In the higher planes, and from their telepathic beings, how is one to conceal private thoughts?
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Post by paulh on Apr 17, 2009 21:59:35 GMT
Paulh: so telepathy is the norm of the day in higher planes. ....how is one to conceal private thoughts? Personally I would consider telepathy a lower mental function. In general privacy only exists from humans of lower consciousness. Other species and kingdoms tend to find humans pretty transparent. For example pet animals are often seen to be better judges of human character than their owners.
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Post by kromedragon on Apr 18, 2009 4:14:45 GMT
Paulh: so telepathy is the norm of the day in higher planes. ....how is one to conceal private thoughts? Personally I would consider telepathy a lower mental function. In general privacy only exists from humans of lower consciousness. Other species and kingdoms tend to find humans pretty transparent. For example pet animals are often seen to be better judges of human character than their owners. May I conclude that the concept of "Clothes" and "Attire" does not exist in the higher planes? Since there is no privacy at all in the higher planes, is nudity the norm of the day? If so, one might conclude further, that dark entities of the higher planes from ours, may openly engage in perverse practices without shame. Does the concept of "Shyness" or "Shame" or "Guilt" exist in the higher planes? Would the beings from higher planes see us in our physical, emotional, sexual nakedness? If so, clothes are a form of useful deception (privacy) used only in our physical plane.
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