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Post by architekt on Aug 14, 2009 4:10:23 GMT
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Post by maat on Aug 14, 2009 4:17:35 GMT
A plant may have several vines but there's only one tap root. Our future is divided but our origins are the same. We are Brothers. And that's all. Too true! Well When Orders fragment it has been my experience that the ordinary Bro on the lodgeroom floor knows little or nothing about it till after things happen. Masonry is masonry.. beautiful people can find themselves on opposite sides of the fence for no good reason at all. I am friends with so many 'enemies' now that I don't bother with that particular classification system any more.... I am Freeeeeeeeeeeee.... Maat |
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Post by imakegarb on Aug 14, 2009 5:45:11 GMT
I hear that's our first name ;D
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Post by lauderdale on Aug 14, 2009 11:18:18 GMT
Am I missing something VT Mason? I read the link submitted by Architekt regarding Bro Barney. What is there not to like about him? A poor tailor who despite his bad health devoted a great deal of time and energy to Freemasonry in the USA? Could you perhaps explain what the less desirable aspects of this man would have been? Did he bowdlerise the Rituals, did he suppress the Higher Degrees as happened elsewhere in Freemasonry? Please elucidate for the benefit of other readers.
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Post by magusmasonica on Aug 14, 2009 17:45:09 GMT
Greetings Bro. Plumbtruth. AFHR member here, three years now. Bro. Louis' image is ever present and he is ever revered. I'm making him my personal study these days. He was a great man. There's no need for anyone in my Obedience to create our own Masonic legend. LDH's American Federation and my Obedience, for better or otherwise, have darn near a century of shared history. The present generation of Co-Masons, for the most part, aren't interested in nursing a grudge. Those very few who do . . . on both sides . . . well, I can't imagine why. A plant may have several vines but there's only one tap root. Our future is divided but our origins are the same. We are Brothers. And that's all. Bro.Karen, I wont speak for others, I can say that I have no desire to "nurse a grudge." I have no reason to as I have friends and people who do not care for me in both LDH and AFHR ;D For me the issue comes into place that AFHR claims a "century of history" when they don't have it. AFHR goes back only as far as a split over a personality conflict when MW Vera Bressler was named GC of LDH American Federation. True, AFHR is a split off from LDH, but there their history begins. Claiming the history of LDH American Federation as their own history I find a little distasteful. That would be like me claiming that I have been married for 15 years by still claiming my history with my ex wife. If I did that people would (and rightly so) find strange. Love and Light, |
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Post by magusmasonica on Aug 14, 2009 17:53:58 GMT
A plant may have several vines but there's only one tap root. Our future is divided but our origins are the same. We are Brothers. And that's all. Too true! Well When Orders fragment it has been my experience that the ordinary Bro on the lodgeroom floor knows little or nothing about it till after things happen. Masonry is masonry.. beautiful people can find themselves on opposite sides of the fence for no good reason at all. I am friends with so many 'enemies' now that I don't bother with that particular classification system any more.... I am Freeeeeeeeeeeee.... Maat When, like me you are on every Orders "enemies" list one has no choice but to be pretty opened minded ;D In all seriousness I agree. It is a shame that dogma plays such a significant role in todays Masonic landscape. Love and Light, |
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Post by wisseman on Aug 15, 2009 20:55:07 GMT
Am I missing something VT Mason? I read the link submitted by Architekt regarding Bro Barney. What is there not to like about him? A poor tailor who despite his bad health devoted a great deal of time and energy to Freemasonry in the USA? Could you perhaps explain what the less desirable aspects of this man would have been? Did he bowdlerise the Rituals, did he suppress the Higher Degrees as happened elsewhere in Freemasonry? Please elucidate for the benefit of other readers. You will have to get with Bro. Errol on this via email. I don't think he can get to you in this format |
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Post by corab on Aug 15, 2009 21:50:08 GMT
. The present generation of Co-Masons, for the most part, aren't interested in nursing a grudge. Those very few who do . . . on both sides . . . well, I can't imagine why. Indeed. As the Explanation of the TB in the 1st says, "the distinctions which we in our mortal bodies, and possessed by our limited senses, recognise, have no place in real freemasonry. This is recognised by the fact that the sun is ever shining at the meridian, and consequently, whenever the initiation of a candidate takes place." 'Nuff said. Hear, hear!  |
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Post by magusmasonica on Aug 15, 2009 22:38:06 GMT
. The present generation of Co-Masons, for the most part, aren't interested in nursing a grudge. Those very few who do . . . on both sides . . . well, I can't imagine why. Indeed. As the Explanation of the TB in the 1st says, "the distinctions which we in our mortal bodies, and possessed by our limited senses, recognise, have no place in real freemasonry. This is recognised by the fact that the sun is ever shining at the meridian, and consequently, whenever the initiation of a candidate takes place." 'Nuff said. Hear, hear! Bro.Cora, I know that you are huge fan of AFHR. I would guess that had you lived in the USA you would be an AFHR member and not an LDH one. So, from your perspective you have no problem with AFHR claiming LDH history as thier own? Love and Light, |
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Post by FireMist on Aug 16, 2009 2:09:02 GMT
Greetings Bro. Plumbtruth. AFHR member here, three years now. Bro. Louis' image is ever present and he is ever revered. I'm making him my personal study these days. He was a great man. There's no need for anyone in my Obedience to create our own Masonic legend. LDH's American Federation and my Obedience, for better or otherwise, have darn near a century of shared history. The present generation of Co-Masons, for the most part, aren't interested in nursing a grudge. Those very few who do . . . on both sides . . . well, I can't imagine why. A plant may have several vines but there's only one tap root. Our future is divided but our origins are the same. We are Brothers. And that's all. Amen... ...and why I chose to tread lightly on the subject. I'm an AFHR member for less than a year to date, and don't know all that transpired, nor do I wish to pick the scab. The past is past, let us look ahead to the future while giving honor to those who came before us. We are Both Branches from the original root and as such the root should be honored. Indeed, We are Brothers. |
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Post by imakegarb on Aug 17, 2009 7:18:59 GMT
Brad, I very seldom pay a lick of attention to you. I've gone on record as saying I will not moderate you and even in this case, I'm not (though you sorely need it). However, your words, above, are very willfully hurtful to a number of my friends and Brothers in LDH or AFHR. As a Brother, mindful of my Ob*, I'll respond to your words so there will be no confusion.
A woman gives birth to conjoined twins. They're separated so they can live separate lives. Clearly their histories begin well before they are separated. Their beginnings are in their progenitors and even before. Only a fool fails to see that.
LDH and AFHR history is the same. Neither forgets Her mother. Those who suggest otherwise are simply trying to be hurtful. History isn't "claimed". It's just what it is.
Now stop picking a fight. It's not even your fight. Leave it.
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Post by leonardo on Aug 17, 2009 11:05:08 GMT
Brad, I very seldom pay a lick of attention to you. I've gone on record as saying I will not moderate you and even in this case, I'm not (though you sorely need it). However, your words, above, are very willfully hurtful to a number of my friends and Brothers in LDH or AFHR. As a Brother, mindful of my Ob*, I'll respond to your words so there will be no confusion. A woman gives birth to conjoined twins. They're separated so they can live separate lives. Clearly their histories begin well before they are separated. Their beginnings are in their progenitors and even before. Only a fool fails to see that. LDH and AFHR history is the same. Neither forgets Her mother. Those who suggest otherwise are simply trying to be hurtful. History isn't "claimed". It's just what it is. Now stop picking a fight. It's not even your fight. Leave it. Well said, Karen. Brad, cut it out, please. Bringing up the past in this manner seems quite unnecessary for it is seen as unhelpful. If your intention is to cause tension and conflict between brothers from both communities of AFHR and LDH then your efforts are in vain and unwelcome. Like others I have gone to great lengths to ensure you get a fair deal here, but of late I feel terribly let down. This behaviour needs to stop or you will face consequences. |
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Post by wisseman on Aug 17, 2009 12:24:04 GMT
Too true! Well When Orders fragment it has been my experience that the ordinary Bro on the lodgeroom floor knows little or nothing about it till after things happen. Masonry is masonry.. beautiful people can find themselves on opposite sides of the fence for no good reason at all. I am friends with so many 'enemies' now that I don't bother with that particular classification system any more.... I am Freeeeeeeeeeeee.... Maat When, like me you are on every Orders "enemies" list one has no choice but to be pretty opened minded ;D In all seriousness I agree. It is a shame that dogma plays such a significant role in todays Masonic landscape. Love and Light, Being on so many enemy lists must be a terrible feeling |
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Post by magusmasonica on Aug 17, 2009 17:37:34 GMT
Brad, I very seldom pay a lick of attention to you. I've gone on record as saying I will not moderate you and even in this case, I'm not (though you sorely need it). However, your words, above, are very willfully hurtful to a number of my friends and Brothers in LDH or AFHR. As a Brother, mindful of my Ob*, I'll respond to your words so there will be no confusion. A woman gives birth to conjoined twins. They're separated so they can live separate lives. Clearly their histories begin well before they are separated. Their beginnings are in their progenitors and even before. Only a fool fails to see that. LDH and AFHR history is the same. Neither forgets Her mother. Those who suggest otherwise are simply trying to be hurtful. History isn't "claimed". It's just what it is. Now stop picking a fight. It's not even your fight. Leave it. Well said, Karen. Brad, cut it out, please. Bringing up the past in this manner seems quite unnecessary for it is seen as unhelpful. If your intention is to cause tension and conflict between brothers from both communities of AFHR and LDH then your efforts are in vain and unwelcome. Like others I have gone to great lengths to ensure you get a fair deal here, but of late I feel terribly let down. This behaviour needs to stop or you will face consequences. Bro.Leo, I am starting to feel let down too. I am growing tired of motives being attributed to me that simply aren't there. I am saying the same thing as Theplumbtruth yet I get all of the flack. I am not saying that is in anyway unexpected but it is tiresome. I don't see what is wrong in requiring accuracy and transparency of information. Love and Light, |
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Post by magusmasonica on Aug 17, 2009 17:49:17 GMT
Brad, I very seldom pay a lick of attention to you. I've gone on record as saying I will not moderate you and even in this case, I'm not (though you sorely need it). However, your words, above, are very willfully hurtful to a number of my friends and Brothers in LDH or AFHR. As a Brother, mindful of my Ob*, I'll respond to your words so there will be no confusion. A woman gives birth to conjoined twins. They're separated so they can live separate lives. Clearly their histories begin well before they are separated. Their beginnings are in their progenitors and even before. Only a fool fails to see that. LDH and AFHR history is the same. Neither forgets Her mother. Those who suggest otherwise are simply trying to be hurtful. History isn't "claimed". It's just what it is. Now stop picking a fight. It's not even your fight. Leave it. Bro.Karen, What I am saying must be lost in translation as I assure you in know way do I mean to be intentionally hurtful nor am I seeking to "pick a fight." All I want is the correct information to be avalible to those who may otherwise be confused by an understandably confusing situation. The facts are that AFHR was founded on April 11th, 1994. AFHR is a self created and self chartered group and that is where their history begins. I have ZERO problem with this. AFHR may not be my cup of tea as I do not approve of the requirement of a belief in the supreme being and I don't care for the practice of recognition but that is niether here or there. I DO have great friends who are members of AFHR and I DO SUPPORT any seeker WHO MAKES THE CHOICE FOR THEMSELF based on CORRECT information they would like to work in the quarry of the AFHR. I want to make it clear regardless of anyone on this forums personal feelings for me that I am in no way anti-AFHR. I don not "bash" them and I wish them much success. In fact I feel out of all the current intergrated Masonic orders in the USA the AFHR has done the best job servicing seekers. They do not people fall through the cracks and they seem to embrace growth with vigor instead of shunning it. This is made clear by their continual growth. So cheers to AFHR  good luck to current and future AFHR memebers and may we all be able to work together to build a better planet. Love and Light, |
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Post by leonardo on Aug 17, 2009 18:20:59 GMT
Well said, Karen. Brad, cut it out, please. Bringing up the past in this manner seems quite unnecessary for it is seen as unhelpful. If your intention is to cause tension and conflict between brothers from both communities of AFHR and LDH then your efforts are in vain and unwelcome. Like others I have gone to great lengths to ensure you get a fair deal here, but of late I feel terribly let down. This behaviour needs to stop or you will face consequences. Bro.Leo, I am starting to feel let down too. I am growing tired of motives being attributed to me that simply aren't there. I am saying the same thing as Theplumbtruth yet I get all of the flack. I am not saying that is in anyway unexpected but it is tiresome. I don't see what is wrong in requiring accuracy and transparency of information. Love and Light, If you wish to conduct yourself in a respectful manner then by all means ask your questions accordingly, but keep in mind attempting to stir up negative emotions is not the way forward with this or any subject, for it runs the risk of bringing about disharmony. Now, as this thread has gone too far off topic I am closing it. If you or anyone else wish to ask specific questions in relation to the new discussion created here, then take them to another thread. |
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