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Post by sammy on Oct 21, 2010 14:51:19 GMT
5 groups of 6 people. Each group would represent a different element or force, and 5 niks to each vav. The 5 niks in each group could be the connection to each other group, so that things are ran by everyone before accepted. Each side explaining thier view to define the next, or more seen as they are more like thier own group but understand and can explain another side.
Depending on your ability to judge those actions in truth the groups would in essence be communicating each other groups sides without actualy making further contact. For example lets say someone who is more like a naturalist but also understands and shares a side of christianity, they could explain and describe most misunderstandings from one to the other. After all sides have handled 1 thought it seems to be this would result in a type of massive non-bias fully aware consciousness. Whos only objective is to effectively determine the best outcome with the tools at hand. Perhaps this is the "God's one mind" that has been spoken of and sensed by people, here for our aid if we are able to access its benefits.
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Post by rembrandt on Oct 21, 2010 17:20:04 GMT
Sammy, You have no idea what my personal goals are. You have never asked.
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Post by sammy on Oct 21, 2010 18:12:00 GMT
I never said I did know them, but I am able to observe when a point has been strayed from, and your goals (whatever they are) are leading you from understanding what vaj has been saying. Instead you are defining the event into your own realm of possibilities, when it wasnt your experience to limit. To me it is the person your focused on and not the experience (wich was the topic), but again this is just an observation. My focus has been not the acts leading up to the event or the event itself, but the point of interest (36 rightous men) and the importance it might have on understanding our ancient and current beliefs.
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Post by sammy on Oct 21, 2010 18:14:46 GMT
Not sure what happened to this post but it dissapeared. I found it interesting how it resembles a gem cut. Attachments:
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Post by sammy on Oct 21, 2010 19:06:47 GMT
6 surface sides on the very bottom of gem, 12 sides on the bottom middle (6+12=18). If you do this again for the top half the total sides would be 36 just different sizes.
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Post by vajranagini on Oct 21, 2010 20:56:29 GMT
Dear Sammy:
Thank you for this further information on the 36 Righteous. I hope you also noted what I said about the notion of the 36 being originally derived from Egyptian legend, as in the 36 forms of Osiris, the Just King. After all, a great deal of nominally "Hebraic" belief was derived from MOSES, who was a Priest of Egypt, before he took off with the "Habiru", and whose name is truncated, being only HALF of an Egyptian name, and meaning "born of" ,as in Ra-moses (Ramses), or Thoth-moses (Thothmes). I do like the idea of the facets of a diamond numbering 36; after all, a diamond is crystallized carbon, that from which all organic matter is derived!
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Post by rembrandt on Oct 21, 2010 22:27:37 GMT
You got me pegged Sammy.
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Post by KNOs1s on Oct 26, 2010 23:32:03 GMT
Seriously, you are way beyond me. Messages from Harry Potter movies and personal knowledge that cannot be wrong in any way shape or form. You're so spot-on, Rembrandt. Now to give your mind away and follow blindly popular public opinion.
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Post by vajranagini on Oct 26, 2010 23:40:44 GMT
Seems to me that's REDUNDANT advice!
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Post by KNOs1s on Oct 26, 2010 23:46:09 GMT
Seems to me that's REDUNDANT advice! As is your message above.
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Post by Zita on Oct 27, 2010 0:03:01 GMT
Tzaddik Nistar (pl. Tzadikim nistarim) Concealed Righteous one
A tzaddik whose righteousness remains unknown to his community. It is said that in every generation there are 36 tzaddikim nistarim in addition to 36 revealed tzaddikim. Together they combine to form the 72 "bridges", which correspondes to the 72 letter Name of G-d derived from three verses in Shemot
www.interfaith.org/forum/tzaddikim-the-36-immortals-of-287.html
Can't help but wonder about the white wands and the 72 elder Brn mentioned in some Royal Arch rituals.
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Post by vajranagini on Oct 27, 2010 0:17:04 GMT
Royal Arch is VERY Qabalistic. I noticed that RIGHT AWAY when I first read about it in"'The Hiram Key". In fact it is my conviction that the 'tablet" discovered by the candidate most likely originally had a TOL engraved on it. It is said that merely by contemplating the symbol of the TOL, one can access all the knowledge of the Qabalah, thus it makes perfect sense to me that such a tablet would indeed be a 'treasure". In fact it wouldn't surprise me either, if the "Word' of Royal Arch freemasonry was in fact a CORRUPTION of the word "Qabalah", and not in fact the combination of three "Names" as is claimed in the Rite
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Post by KNOs1s on Oct 27, 2010 0:21:47 GMT
THE HIRAM KEY is a fun read, yet an awful reference.
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Post by Zita on Oct 27, 2010 0:34:23 GMT
Royal Arch is VERY Qabalistic. So is the Blue. Reference the methods of advancing -> E. Especially in the 3rd.
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Post by vajranagini on Oct 27, 2010 0:38:35 GMT
It was a START. Everything else I have read on the R.A. since then has borne out this theory. It was also very interesting and enlightening to contemplate the R.A. tracing board; that too, was a most useful meditation. But I guess you will say I am "wrong' about that too.
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Post by Zita on Oct 27, 2010 1:07:34 GMT
It was a START. Everything else I have read on the R.A. since then has borne out this theory. It was also very interesting and enlightening to contemplate the R.A. tracing board; that too, was a most useful meditation. But I guess you will say I am "wrong' about that too. ??
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Post by rembrandt on Oct 27, 2010 1:22:19 GMT
Which Royal Arch ritual are you referring to, the USA version or that commonly used in England?
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Post by KNOs1s on Oct 27, 2010 4:52:10 GMT
It was a START. Everything else I have read on the R.A. since then has borne out this theory. It was also very interesting and enlightening to contemplate the R.A. tracing board; that too, was a most useful meditation. But I guess you will say I am "wrong' about that too. Who said you were wrong?
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Post by Zita on Oct 27, 2010 23:28:18 GMT
Which Royal Arch ritual are you referring to, the USA version or that commonly used in England? The one used by International Co-Masonry Le Droit Humain. Adyar, Madras 1985. It includes the Veils. Refers to a white staff which one is permitted to carry, unless 72 of your Elders are present.
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Post by rembrandt on Oct 27, 2010 23:42:50 GMT
Is it similar to the English version? I ask because, as a Royal Arch Mason, I have not seen that reference in the ritual that I experienced.
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