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Post by vajranagini on Nov 4, 2010 3:29:00 GMT
The fact is, if you understand Sufi, you ARE a Sufi. It is also possible to receive direct knowlege, without an outer teacher. Risky, but possible. It is also notable that I have NOT been able to find a lot of data on FEMALE Sufis. I have written to various Sufi organizations on the Net and have not received ONE SINGLE REPLY to any question I have asked about Sufi. Maybe it's a SIGN. If I could just get more data on this word "Qarael" I would be happy and not bother the Sufis any more ever again with my unreasonable request for a clearer translation.
PS: my fave Nasr-ud-din story is this one: Everyone began to groan inwardly when Nasr-ud-din sat down with his violin, because he only ever played ONE single note, drawing it out for minutes at a time. When someone finally demanded to know why he did this, he sniffed: "All those other musicians, moving their hands around on the instrument, searching-searching-searching endlessly for the right place! Well, I FOUND IT!"
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Post by rembrandt on Nov 4, 2010 3:50:17 GMT
Mullah Nassurdin may not have ever existed but he does make many important stories. I have seen his tomb, can't get through those chains unless you are willing to walk around the door. To be a sufi one is made a sufi in the ceremony of biat. It is not something that can be circumvented. I would be happy to put you in touch with people in this country that could be of far greater assistance than I on this journey. Please drop me a line on the PM function in this forum. I will do what I can to help.
It is unfortunate that you have not received a reply. I can't tell you why. I can speculate that those that are initiators of the various orders are older women and men that are not familiar with computers and younger members of the order(s) are taking care of the internet presence.
Understanding sufism is a difficult task. It is not something that can be attained by work directly. It is something that comes as a result of work but working towards it inhibits the process, not a whole lot different from Martinism eh MiddlePillar? Some of my teachers are still quite active and I think that you could benefit from their teachings. Please do not equate your feelings about me who is a horrible example of their illuminated lineage and teachings. They have much to give to the world, I am not worth much.
I think that you would flourish in a full zikr ceremony, particularly an involved zikr rather than a quiet one. Let me know if there is anything that I can do for you.
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Post by KNOs1s on Nov 5, 2010 14:19:22 GMT
Uh huh. And this is the same guy who was taken in by a faked-up movie clip, hoping for "proof of a "time traveller". The fact is , we are talking about mummies of an assassinated PHARAOH and a TEMPLE PRIEST who was castrated, made to stink terribly, and buried ALIVE in an unmarked grave, obviously for some unspeakable crime. I'd say betraying one's God-king into the hands of his enemies would certainly qualify for such a penalty! I was never 'taken in' by the clip, and if you see my initial posting, I state, "I think the footage from the Chaplin film was likely real. It seems to be an old lady with an 'ear-horn' hearing aid, and not remarkable at all." Certainly, if I had been 'taken in' and believed it indicated a Time Traveler, I would have found it extremely remarkable! For someone in the early 20th century to possess a hearing aid like an 'ear horn', which had been available since the late 19th, is unremarkable to me. It does not require time travel as an explanation, and does not require unconvincing manipulation of the footage to infer time travel. To me, NOTHING in the footage seems to infer that it was manipulated or indicates the woman had a cell phone. I would love to see adequate proof of the claims made by the Hiram Key as well. I do not believe there is now adequate proof of the Time Travel nor the Hiram Key, yet I will grant that the Hiram Key is possible and more likely to find sufficient corroborative evidence in the future. Those are details. King Tut also had a 'head wound' consistent with the Hiram legend. I believe it is possible, with some small amount of work, to establish similarities to that Pharaoh as easily. I do not think Tut was such a figure, nor do I believe that Seqenenre Tao was Hiram Abiff. It remains possible that either one is, yet I have not seen the papyrus or stela documenting exactly why and how any of these men died and why. If we disagree, it is fine by me. You are convinced by the proffered evidence. I do not think it is substantial enough. I may be an idiot for doubting, yet that is my opinion on the matter. That is all there is to it. Senseless brutality" would hardly apply here; these two things are COMPLETE ANOMALIES, plus BOTH mummies date from the SAME TIME.. Plus, the Egyptians were PEACEABLE people; prior to the gradual invasion of the Hittites/habiru after the "Great Flood" that engulfed the Euphates/Tigris delta back in Abraham's time; the Upper and Lower kingdoms of Egypt did not know war for literally MILLENNIA, because Egypt itself was relatively INACCESSIBLE, being separated from outside influence by a wide swath of DESERT. They had to LEARN about war from the warlike Hittites. These things do not add proof or evidence to the claims made in the Hiram Key. Oh and you are right about the roots of Freemasonry going back further than the 8th century; they likely date back to the rites of Osiris, the original "Just man" which go back 5000 years. The rites of Osiris were, like Freemasonry, open to the "common man", while the worship of Ra belonged to the priesthood and was closed to commoners. There are also the Dionysian Builders, who also has secret rites. Lotsa possibilities, although Shah specifically states "Dhul-Nun" (who was Egyptian). if you have contact with a Sufi who knows about Idries Shah, I am desperately seeking info about the word "Qarael", which allegedly means "recital" or something of the sort. i am looking for further clarification of its definition; what' for instance, do they mean by 'recital"? Like a a poem or story or legend? or perhaps a "mystery-play"? BTW, while meditating on the Square and compass one night long ago, I received a STRONG impression that the letter in the middle was not supposed to be a "G" but a "Q"; imagine my SHOCK when years later, I read "The Sufis " and found that this was indeed the case!>shakes head in wonderment< I personally believe it possible the origins go back farther than Egypt, yet it is irrelevant to the claims made in the Hiram Key. The 'G' is often displayed as a different symbol. It was introduced in the second century B.C. I find none of this remarkable nor surprising. I read about it a long time ago; before I became a Freemason, if my recollection holds.
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 6, 2010 0:10:35 GMT
Let's just say that there is MORE "hard" evidence for the legend of Seqenen-Re Tao as the prototype of "Hiram Abiff" than there is for MOSES.
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 7, 2010 4:15:00 GMT
Another thing that has me wondering about Seqenen-re Tao: I have never heard of the name "Tao" in Egyptian. D'ye think it could be a variant on "Tau"? If any Egyptologists can answer this question, or even just produce the hieroglyph for this Pharaoh's name that would probably alone settle the question. It would also possibly help explain the symbolism of the "Tau" cross on Masonic aprons.
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Post by ruffashlar on Nov 16, 2010 19:07:38 GMT
Another thing that has me wondering about Seqenen-re Tao: I have never heard of the name "Tao" in Egyptian.
Indeed. Then again, Egyptian proper names you will have heard of, such as Amun, Anubis, Isis, Osiris, etc., all come to us from Greek; Egyptian itself does not include vowels, so it's rather left up to Coptic reconstructions and fanciful guesswork if you want anything you can say aloud. Hieroglyphics students have to make do with imn for Amun and inpy for Anubis; though for convenience, the vowel e is helpfully inserted to aid the aims of education.
Well-known fanciful reconstructions, like Osiris in place of the unpronounceable wsr, are retained. Your man Seqenenre Whatsit might be one of them.
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 18, 2010 3:38:41 GMT
I was just reading the other day about "sacred vowels"; apparently some traditions would chant vowels like mantras. Wish I could remember exactly where I read it! I guess that would be something like I A O. Once I was doing ritual with my priest and we were chanting I A O at one point; once we got into the swing of it, it was hard to STOP. After having experienced THAT, I could well understand about "chanting the sacred vowel" thing!
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Post by sid on Nov 18, 2010 9:58:04 GMT
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Post by Zita on Nov 18, 2010 23:39:13 GMT
we were chanting I A O at one point; once we got into the swing of it, it was hard to STOP. Remember the Wizard of Oz? The flying monkeys crossing the bridge into the castle...
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Post by Zita on Nov 18, 2010 23:42:40 GMT
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Post by sid on Nov 19, 2010 6:19:24 GMT
... and the triangulation of the number 36 is 666 i.e., 36°°° = 666 Sorry, could'nt resist ;D
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 20, 2010 2:24:44 GMT
That is hardly surprising since 666 is the gematria of "Sorath', the Spirit of the Sun. As I said before the Planetary Square of the sun has 6 sides, and 36 squares in total, and , of course, the number 6 (the first "perfect" number) is associated with Tiphareth, the Sephirah associated with the Sun. It is said that Osiris, the Egyptian Deity of Righteousness and of the Egyptian Underworld, and sometimes referred to as the "Black Sun", has 36 forms. It is conceivable that the "Beast' of Revelation may well be connected by this means with the 'contract" of the 36 Righteous, since the failure of humanity to maintain the agreed-upon number of the righteous results in "Apocalypse"/Armageddon/the end of the world.
Interestingly, 6x6x6 adds up to 216, the gematria of "Geburah", (the name of the Fifth Sephirah on the Tree of Life, of "lioness"(ARYH), and "warrior" (VIR)
666 is also the numerical value of the Nashimiron or "Malignant Women", the Qliphotic demons associated with the Aeon of Pisces.
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 21, 2010 7:00:10 GMT
Actually, "righteousness" has more to do with "dharma" than religion. One could also use the term "chivalry". Once the temple is built, it must be defended; thus we have "Knights of the Temple". I use the term "knight" in the sense of the German "knecht" [servant]. The origin of the word "chivalry" is the French "chevalerie" [horsemanship] (The Knights Templar were famous for their horsemanship) The image of a beast under the perfected control of the higher mind, represented by the man is one that crops up frequently used in Eastern symbology; there, it is the man and the bull. Thus 'righteousness' would consist, at least in part, of having one's animal self (senses) under perfect control .
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 22, 2010 5:27:12 GMT
More fun facts about the number 36: It is the sum of the single-digit numbers one through eight. Thirty-six Knights Templar died in the first week of the raids on the Temples of France. The numerical value of "Goddess' (ALH) in Hebrew is 36. Thirty-six is half of 72; a very important number in Western Esotericism.. This is an important key to Understanding the significance of the 36.
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Post by maximus on Nov 22, 2010 6:24:44 GMT
It could all be coincidence. The human brain is a pattern recognition computer, basically, and will tend to detect patterns while filtering out conflicting data. That is why we tend to notice such number sequences as 11:11 and 9:11 on a digital clock.
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 23, 2010 3:46:55 GMT
Nope. Not "coincidence". When I actually "met" the Archangel Michael through my Qabalistic meditations ( Michael is also the "Angel" of Tiphareth, and the Lord of the current Aeon, commencing from 1888 (the last decan of Aquarius is ruled by Michael) during a meditation, my "test' question to him was "What can you tell me about the "Lamed Vav"?
Michael, being the Angel of Tiphareth on the TOL, which is signified by the Sun, would certainly be well aware of their significance, seeing as how the Square of the Sun has 36 squares. Thus, who better to ask? The answer to that one little question literally CHANGED my life, absolutely.... Oh, and BTW, Michael is the "PATRON SAINT" of the Knights Templar... I found this out AFTERWARDS. The 36 ARE in fact indelibly connected with the Knights Templar; that was one thing I learned from our "conversations".
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Post by ruffashlar on Nov 23, 2010 17:50:26 GMT
Yes, but the trouble there, vaj, is that it's a subject you know a lot about, so if St Michael were really just a figment of your imagination, he would know all about that, wouldn't he?
Now, if you were to ask him to explain the Offside Rule, or tell you the winner of the Grand National (past or future, it hardly matters), that might be a more convincing proof, because it could be independently verified afterwards.
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Post by maximus on Nov 23, 2010 18:34:01 GMT
Yes, but the trouble there, vaj, is that it's a subject you know a lot about, so if St Michael were really just a figment of your imagination, he would know all about that, wouldn't he? Precisely so, Ruff. These are, as I said, inner processes, so what we are doing is connecting to our subconscious. The subconscious speaks in symbols - so whatever system we are studying will become the vehicle through which it communicates. Some people, like Vaj and our buddy Russell H., tend to project this outward, as if these were outside entities that are communicating from a separate dimension of existence. We can treat these experiences as if they were outside communications, but in reality they are our own mental functions.
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 24, 2010 5:04:03 GMT
Yes, but the trouble there, vaj, is that it's a subject you know a lot about, so if St Michael were really just a figment of your imagination, he would know all about that, wouldn't he? Actually NO, I knew nothing much of the Knights Templar at the time I was having these conversations, other than what I had peripherally read about them while studying the history of witchcraft when I was with an Isis-Uranian coven.
The most complete exposure I had had to anything like a "Concise History of the Knights Templar Mixed In With Qabalistic Doctrine" was when I read Umberto Eco's 'Foucault's Pendulum"
I will remark here that being familar with Hermetic Qabalah enhances one's appreciation of "Foucault's Pendulum" a thousandfold, just as it does and did for Crowley's "Confessions". )
I think of FP as 'the "Da Vinci Code" for the Occultist.
I read the book once only, and did not encounter it again until 8 years later, when I encountered it upon the living room couch of a reincarnated Knight Templar...the one the Lord of the Aeon told me I would meet...five years previously.
The empirical fact of events coming true and questions being answered to an unexpected degree satisfies me that I was indeed in communication with the Angel of Tiphareth.
Now, if you were to ask him to explain the Offside Rule, or tell you the winner of the Grand National (past or future, it hardly matters), that might be a more convincing proof, because it could be independently verified afterwards. But that's just it: I DID get independent verification. If I am one evening having a Qabalistic meditation on Tiphareth and suddenly engage in a convo with an invisible being who was not there moments earlier, whose voice I can hear as "a voice in my head" (note: I said 'voice', not "voices") and it can not only answer my "test questions" in full but even tells me of things that will happen in the next few days and then they all later come true, then I think I can rest assured that it was NOT a "figment of my imagination".
BTW, it would be unwise to ask any being 'test questions' involving mundane affairs; one wants only test questions that pertain to the Path on which one is meditating, in this case it was the one between Tiphareth and Binah.
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Post by Mr_Chaos on Jun 2, 2011 4:12:12 GMT
I just invoked the Angel of the Sun and he said he does not remember speaking with you. He thinks you may be delusional and are probably in need of medication. Seek professional help immediately!
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