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Post by vajranagini on Nov 6, 2010 23:58:05 GMT
I was just looking at the minutiae at the bottom of the forum home page, and I notice that the day on which this site had the most traffic was April 8. 2008. with 412 people showing up. (Too bad six more people didn't show up; it would have been PERFECT.) Was there some sort of "Book of the Law" event going on here?
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 13, 2010 5:46:38 GMT
Huh, I guess that answers that.
I thought I woulld natter on about my personal experience of being a member of the OTO, my experiences with the 93 current and what I learned from Uncle Aleister. From all accounts he was best learned from at a distance. He said in "Magick without Tears" that if anyone had seen one-tenth of the mischief wrought by having members of a Lodge socialize, you would "shake with fear at the very idea of having to see them from a distance through a telescope!" or some such thing. I always remembered that line; also the one about not discussing the contents of the Book. It didn't say we couldn't discuss our EXPERIENCES with it, however!
In point of fact, it was when i joined OTO that I discovered the "93 current" was extant in my life TEN YEARS before I ever thought of joining OTO; in fact if you had told me then that I would ever read Aleister Crowley's books, much less AGREE with many things they had to say, I would have told you you were CRAZY.
It cannot be denied that Crowley's preface to the Book is remarkably prophetic of coming conditions; it was written in the early part of the twentieth century but allowing for devolution of the language and the fact that it was written in English English and rife with then-extant-but-now-fallen-into-desuetude expressions, , it is a remarkably apt description of present conditions in the world today, especially the part about "people becoming 'bisexual' or epicene".
One thing about Crowley, he is, at times, FUNNY AS HELL. The book known as "Eight Lectures on Yoga" is HILARIOUS.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 6, 2010 3:58:50 GMT
One thing that astonished me about joining OTO, is that I discovered that what they refer to as the '"93 Current" had been operative in my life at least TEN or TWELVE years previous to my joining the Order. It is no use my describing how I know this; such evidence is mostly subjective, and it would require me to give you a lengthy background history.. But there was no mistake about this. Crowley describes similar experiences; in fact it was his account of them that reassured me I was not "imagining things"
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 12, 2010 4:51:18 GMT
It is a fact that I performed the "Star Sapphire" Rite with one of the OTO Brethren in front of the audience at an OTO event.It was very powerful; we drew the triangles in perfect choreography, and dropped our robes for the climax'of the rite. You could have heard a PIN DROP.
I also, in my day, took my place on the altar for the enactment of the Gnostic Mass, and played the "slayer of Dionysos" at an OTO Bacchanal.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 19, 2010 2:10:24 GMT
Has anyone else noticed that 2011 is going to be the year of 0=2?
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Post by maximus on Dec 19, 2010 4:02:26 GMT
Has anyone else noticed that 2011 is going to be the year of 0=2? No. 2+0+2=4, what does that mean? Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 19, 2010 6:00:11 GMT
I am referring to the fact that 2011 "spells out" 0=2. If you turn the 11 ON ITS SIDE, you get an "equal" sign. Thus: 0 11 2.
Maybe you ought to learn a little more about OTO before jumping into an OTO-oriented thread!
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Post by maximus on Dec 19, 2010 15:01:07 GMT
I am referring to the fact that 2011 "spells out" 0=2. If you turn the 11 ON ITS SIDE, you get an "equal" sign. Thus: 0 11 2. Maybe you ought to learn a little more about OTO before jumping into an OTO-oriented thread! Maybe you should be a little less arrogant.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 19, 2010 20:26:49 GMT
Oh? You come here, all unbidden, into MY thread and make snotty statements demonstrating ignorance of the topic, and then tell ME "I should be 'a little less arrogant' " Pot, meet Kettle!
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 20, 2010 2:09:10 GMT
It isn't your thread. It is a thread on a forum ran by the moderators here. If you would like to have your own that can't be responded to start a blog and forbid all responses.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 20, 2010 2:21:44 GMT
Oh, I don't care so much about the response, as the attitude and the ignorance with which it came. If one is going to come to an OTO thread and comment in a snotty arrogant tone, then one should at least justify one's arrogance by displaying at least a semblance of familiarity with the topic of the thread!
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 20, 2010 3:18:53 GMT
I understand, the same could be said about Sufism or the Knights Templar.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 20, 2010 4:15:54 GMT
Shah had a bit to say about the term "Sufism", and none of it good. And I haven't noticed any real scholarship or depth of understanding exhibited in the KT thread; I still did not receive any sort of satisfactory answer to the question "Why did the Templar fleet take off from La Rochelle without their Supreme Grand Master"? or Why did the Templars just "roll over and surrender" to Philip le Bel without putting up a fight?"
But that's OK ; a very great deal cannot be understood, simply because of the nature of the situation. In order to understand Sufi one must BE a Sufi; Ibn el-Arabi said that a child cannot understand the accomplishments of an adult; an adult cannot comprehend the knowledge of a scholar, and a scholar cannot, for all his learning, comprehend the attainments of the Sufi.
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Post by maximus on Dec 20, 2010 5:41:18 GMT
Oh, I don't care so much about the response, as the attitude and the ignorance with which it came. If one is going to come to an OTO thread and comment in a snotty arrogant tone, then one should at least justify one's arrogance by displaying at least a semblance of familiarity with the topic of the thread! Amazing how an Adept with awakened Kundalini falls apart so quickly due to a few simple comments or questions. One of the first lessons one learns as an EA is to subdue one's passions. But you wouldn't know that, not having been initiated into the Antient Mysteries of Freemasonry. I think my probing has revealed much which has confirmed what others here have noticed as well.
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 20, 2010 7:18:09 GMT
You are right, to understand Sufism one must actually be a Sufi. That of course means that one would have to actually be initiated in the path instead of reading books about it. There are those that have read about it and those that have spent years in the company of a true master learning not only the philosophy but the practices that would explain qarael.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 21, 2010 2:51:32 GMT
Oh, I don't care so much about the response, as the attitude and the ignorance with which it came. If one is going to come to an OTO thread and comment in a snotty arrogant tone, then one should at least justify one's arrogance by displaying at least a semblance of familiarity with the topic of the thread! Amazing how an Adept with awakened Kundalini falls apart so quickly due to a few simple comments or questions. One of the first lessons one learns as an EA is to subdue one's passions. Really? Funny, you seem to be a little over wrought...as well as lacking in the "perception" department; I'd hardly describe my response to your comments as "falling apart". But, of course you'd be HOPING I would do such a thing! >snicker< That way YOUR demonstration of your lack of understanding would be 'eclipsed". But, sorry, no such luck. But you wouldn't know that, not having been initiated into the Antient Mysteries of Freemasonry. Actually, I WOULD know, seeing as how the Rites are easily available for all to read. Have you ever meditated on the Masonic tracing boards? I have...the Royal Arch tracing board is my FAVOURITE.
And there is nothing particularly "exclusive" to Freemasonry about the EA teachings you mention; they are much the SAME in just about EVERY "Path" out there, Western AND Eastern. I think my probing has revealed much which has confirmed what others here have noticed as well. Really? That was "probing"? >snicker< Oooo, so what do you think was "revealed" by your 'cloak-and-dagger" tactics? >cough< That you know damn-all about anything OTO-and-Crowley-related, possibly? Or that you haven't a CLUE how to 'test or try' someone?
Yes, I am sure people ARE, um, "noticing"...I can hear the TITTERING from HERE.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 21, 2010 3:00:25 GMT
You are right, to understand Sufism one must actually be a Sufi. That of course means that one would have to actually be initiated in the path instead of reading books about it. There are those that have read about it and those that have spent years in the company of a true master learning not only the philosophy but the practices that would explain qarael. Actually I HAVE my explanation, and thank you very much. That was really ALL that was necessary.
And, I HAVE been initiated already. I told you about it. All Paths lead to the SAME centre; You as "a seeker" really ought to KNOW this already! Maybe you should go study some Ibn al-Arabi or something!
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 21, 2010 3:47:34 GMT
I have studied al-Arabi amongst others. You are apparently ignorant regarding the topic biat. So you have an explanation. That a couple of bucks will get you a coffee. To make use of the explanation you would need to know the verbal and breathing components as well as the physical movements.
You obviously have an OTO initiation. It is quite a bit different from initiation into the Sufi path. The two are not the same, nor is the work or focus.
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Post by maximus on Dec 21, 2010 6:41:29 GMT
Really? Funny, you seem to be a little over wrought...as well as lacking in the "perception" department; I'd hardly describe my response to your comments as "falling apart". But, of course you'd be HOPING I would do such a thing! >snicker< That way YOUR demonstration of your lack of understanding would be 'eclipsed". But, sorry, no such luck. Over wrought? Hardly. I understand what you were trying, unsuccessfully, to explain.Reading a rite, and actually participating in it, memorizing the catechism, and having it explained by a mentor is entirely different than reading it and drawing one's own conclusions. There is much that is exclusive to Freemasonry, which you have no knowledge of, and much that is similar to other mystery traditions. This is not to say that all paths are the same. They are not. Each discipline is exclusive unto itself, the group egregore is different.You just reinforced my point. I am not OTO, but I do know a considerable bit about Thelema, and quite a few other things as well, all of which has been demonstrated right here on this very board, contained in those 3,000 or so posts that you so cavalierly dismissed yesterday. It wasn't my intention to "test or try" you. I assure you that as a Master Mason, an Adeptus Minor and a High Priest I know how to do so if I so choose. You, however are not worth wasting my time on. I'm quite SURE you CAN, but the DIRECTION in which the TWITTERING is aimed may SURPRISE you. See, I can post in pretty colors too. And use caps ;D
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 21, 2010 18:38:25 GMT
Really? Funny, you seem to be a little over wrought...as well as lacking in the "perception" department; I'd hardly describe my response to your comments as "falling apart". But, of course you'd be HOPING I would do such a thing! >snicker< That way YOUR demonstration of your lack of understanding would be 'eclipsed". But, sorry, no such luck. Over wrought? Hardly. I understand what you were trying, unsuccessfully, to explain.Funny, seems to me it was YOU who were the "unsuccessful" one; after all , if you knew about 0=2, then why would you go off on all kinds of tangents? But, hey, if you want to re-write history, fine. Reading a rite, and actually participating in it, memorizing the catechism, and having it explained by a mentor is entirely different than reading it and drawing one's own conclusions. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. I didn't fall off the truck yesterday, you know; I got a few qualifications on both sides of the fence, myself! And OTO is the LEAST of them.There is much that is exclusive to Freemasonry, which you have no knowledge of, and much that is similar to other mystery traditions. This is not to say that all paths are the same. They are not. Each discipline is exclusive unto itself, the group egregore is different.Yup, I have had more than ONE visit from the "Masonic egregore"; in fact, that was how I got INVOLVED with Freemasonry!You just reinforced my point. I am not OTO, but I do know a considerable bit about Thelema,REALLY? Coulda fooled ME. and quite a few other things as well, all of which has been demonstrated right here on this very board, contained in those 3,000 or so posts that you so cavalierly dismissed yesterday. It wasn't my intention to "test or try" you. I assure you that as a Master Mason, an Adeptus Minor and a High Priest I know how to do so if I so choose. You, however are not worth wasting my time on. Funny, it appears to me that you seem to be "wasting a LOT of time on" following ME around in order to tell me how I am NOT "worth wasting time on"!I'm quite SURE you CAN, but the DIRECTION in which the TWITTERING is aimed may SURPRISE you. Ya think?!See, I can post in pretty colors too. And use caps ;D Actually, YELLOW is the easiest to read against the blue background.
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