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Post by beersheva on Dec 6, 2011 22:05:16 GMT
"O.T.O. knows NOTHING about Sufism. I was in William Blake Oasis for 3 years and I have been a member of 3 different Sufi Orders. I am both a practicing Muslim and a Freemason. You can talk and talk about Sufism as a Thelemite but in the end, your people are still having orgies at their get togethers (see? I know...), getting high on all kinds of drugs, having their relationships collapsing left and right...you have no self - mastery."
AWWWW, NVNTR, why did you do that -------blow the whistle on those poor little devils the THELE-MITES. They're just following what their GREAT MASTER THERION did all his life. Gosh, just cuz they happen to enjoy the klippot, just let them be. All hail BAHHHHHFOMET.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 9, 2011 4:31:21 GMT
It really is unfortunate that people who have devoted the majority of their lives looking for the HIDDEN WISDOM and have a great command of the language, an amazing memory of events, esotericists, written material, etc... should fall victim TO THEMSELVES. The TRUE adept of esoteric knowledge/wisdom will excell at CONCEALING HIM/HERSELF by his/her speech, only indicating MASTERY of oneself by the way in which he/she interacts with others. RESPECT, KINDNESS, HUMILITY and FAIRNESS go a long ways in how a persons writings or words are received. Absolutely right. I recommend you take your own advice; it looks an awdul lot like you've "fallen victim to yourself".
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 9, 2011 4:36:20 GMT
"..."Let the Scarlet Woman beware! If pity and compassion and tenderness visit her heart; if she leave my work to toy with old sweetnesses; then shall my vengeance be known. I will slay me her child: I will alienate her heart: I will cast her out from men; as a shrinking and despised harlot shall she crawl through dusk wet streets, and die cold and an-hungered.
But let her raise herself in pride! Let her follow me in my way! Let her work the work of wickedness! Let her kill her heart! Let her be loud and adulterous! Let her be covered with jewels, and rich garments, and let her be shameless before all men!
Then will I lift her to pinnacles of power: then will I breed from her a child mightier than all the kings of the earth. I will fill her with joy: with my force shall she see & strike at the worship of Nu: she shall achieve Hadit...." Liber Al vel Legis, Ch. 3., v 43-45Curious, it sounds exactly the opposite of TRADITIONAL KABBALAH and GNOSTIC or HERMETIC DOCTRINE, as defined by the most esoteric and authoritative of their respective MASTERS. The end of the great AGE, KALI YUGA, when everything is inverted. Actually, the Kali Yuga is when the 'demonic' element is in the ascendant. Its sole virtue is that one may make very great spiritual progress and "attain God" very rapidly. I can certainly attest to this fact by my own experience.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 21, 2011 4:37:23 GMT
It is interesting that people would claim that OTO has no connection with Sufi, when the name of a great Sufi Master, (who was martyred for heresy) is invoked in one of the degress, and the imagery of the rituals is distinctly Muslim in origin (f'r instance, the King involved is not called "Solomon" but "Saladin"
Also, Idries Shah in 'The Sufis" makes reference to blue and gold being the colours of Sufi, because mixed together, they produce GREEN. Also the colur black has great significance as well. Liber Al vel Legis thus makes a veiled reference to Sufi: "My colour is black to the blind, but the blue & gold are seen of the seeing".
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 22, 2011 16:56:23 GMT
Are you suggesting that because somebody wrote it in then there must be a real connection?
Idries Shah was a [find another word].
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Post by matt on Dec 22, 2011 17:52:26 GMT
that seems to be an acceptable means for masons to make ancient connections.
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 22, 2011 18:41:29 GMT
Good enough then. Of course it will get a bit murky if we assume truth to all the myth that is used in Masonic rituals.
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Post by matt on Dec 23, 2011 2:11:32 GMT
well, myth is generally an expression of truth. Just because something may or may not be based in fact does not mean it is not the truth. Religious myths, whatever they are, are truths even though they may or may not be able to be proven with facts. Truth is deeper and much more subjective and personal and it';s not for you or I to determine anyone's truth but our own.
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 23, 2011 5:45:12 GMT
Myth, mirth; tomato, tomaato.
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Post by matt on Dec 23, 2011 8:50:21 GMT
As long as people don't throw their tomatoes at other people's religions then it's all gravy.
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 23, 2011 9:39:58 GMT
Myth, mirth; tomato, tomaato. You say tomato, I say tomaato.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 24, 2011 1:19:33 GMT
Are you suggesting that because somebody wrote it in then there must be a real connection? Idries Shah was a wanker. I am certainly confirmed in my conviction, from this remark ^^^ and others that have been made here, that Sufi as an organization is just as subject to the same level of internecine warfare and name-calling as just about any OTHER "esoteric organization" that I have heard tell of...that being so, then, really, what hope is there for the world? When even "the wise" "the elect", and "the enlightened" are subject to the follies and shortcomings of "the cowans"? Then we KNOW we are in the bowels of the Kali Yuga! "The fool readeth this Book of the Law, and its comment; & he understandeth it not".
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 24, 2011 2:28:47 GMT
Of the fool as no idea what she is talking about and is only sitting outside demanding to get in.
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Post by matt on Dec 24, 2011 9:48:12 GMT
I suppose we're all fools in some way or another.
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 24, 2011 14:14:19 GMT
Hey speak for yourself "To be, rather than to seem (to be)"
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 25, 2011 23:18:54 GMT
Of the fool as no idea what she is talking about and is only sitting outside demanding to get in. I have not yet seen any indication that you yourself have any real idea of what you are talking about. And, sitting outside of what? Demanding to get into what? If YOU are a sample of what's awaiting me on "the inside" of whatever it is I am supposedly "trying to get into", then I'd say I'm surely FAR better off staying right here "on the outside". "..Nor shall they who cry aloud their folly that thou meanest nought avail; thou shalt reveal it; thou availest: they are the slaves of 'because'..."
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 26, 2011 4:24:38 GMT
Left a few burned bridges behind you huh?
You might stop for a moment and think that maybe I have no inclination to reveal anything to a profane.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 26, 2011 21:24:36 GMT
Left a few burned bridges behind you huh? Not exactly a brilliant deduction, given some of the data available in this thread. But, given the nature of some bridges, they are better burnt without compunction or regret! You might stop for a moment and think that maybe I have no inclination to reveal anything to a profane. Looks to me like your "commanding self "is getting out of control; why would I even care about your "inclinations" in the first place?
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 27, 2011 2:35:41 GMT
You clearly care about my inclinations. You need the attention of the people here. You have burnt so many bridges you really need someone to take you seriously. In the mean time I recommend that you contemplate why nobody really shares anything with you.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 27, 2011 3:20:44 GMT
Actually I don't care a whoop about your "inclinations" at all or whether you 'share' things with me, or your personal opinion of me. In case you hadn't noticed, it is YOU who are following ME around, trying to get me to 'care' about things that don't trouble me in the least and attributing motives to me that have no applicability to the situation whatever!
This is a public board, and I like to post here; I don't need anyone's validation; I simply contribute wherever I feel like doing so. No need for anyone here to take me any more seriously than I take THEM.
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