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Post by rembrandt on Dec 27, 2011 15:23:28 GMT
Methinks you protest too much.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 27, 2011 21:16:41 GMT
Really? About what, exactly?
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 27, 2011 21:30:03 GMT
Review your posts.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 29, 2011 0:47:15 GMT
Seeing as there are five HUNDRED of them, maybe you'd like to be more specific? In this thread or in ALL my threads?
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 29, 2011 5:27:26 GMT
All of them. You need and demand that others take you seriously. That is what I like about you, your attention to detail.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 29, 2011 5:56:02 GMT
Funny, I don't recall "demanding" anything from anyone in any of my posts at any time.. That is merely your own ego-projection onto someone you have taken a dislike to and are convinced you "have their number". Puh-leaze; people who know me personally have been unable to "get my number"; how much less someone who has never met me!
Take me seriously, don't take me seriously, what does it matter? This is the Internet. I come here to post stuff I know about, and how people react to it is their business. I will admit to enjoying to cross verbal swords, but I don't take any of it as seriously as YOU seem to.
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 29, 2011 14:19:58 GMT
It is funny isn't it.
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 31, 2011 3:40:28 GMT
So, you'll have to excuse me: this convo with you is pointless and tedious beyond belief, and I would like to return to the subject of the thread.
I would be interesting to know if any WOMEN have ever made it as far as the OTO Ninth Degree. Given its nature, I doubt it, however. Stories about women being "hounded" out of OTO are much more common. I also don't doubt that many of them have been 'exploited" and suffered breakdowns as a result. I did hear of several women who ended up in asylums after Kenneth Grant used them for experiments in "trans-plutonic energies". Knowing how Crowley "used' women as "mediums", it's surely no wonder that most of them ended up as alcoholics and in asylums. He freely admits in his 'Confessions" to using his wife Rose to 'explore" the demonic realms (at one point Crowley relates how she "described various "servitors of Beelzebub", who Crowley summoned and unleashed on Mathers) ; it's no wonder she ended up with a severe alcohol problem and landed in an asylum!
I have recounted how the girlfriend of a fellow member of OTO ended up climbing over an 18th-floor balcony; I am quite certain from all the available evidence that she was being held in some manner of "pharmaceutical thrall", and quite possibly being "used' in some fashion similar to Crowley's women, and it is entirely possible her final act was likely in the nature of an 'attempt to escape". It wasn't too long after that, that I decided it was time to "cut ties".
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Post by vajranagini on Dec 31, 2011 21:36:47 GMT
It is an odd fact that prior to, and during, the whole time I was a member of the mundane OTO , I was being 'guided" by another, "secret" Inner Order (probably analogous to the "A.'. A.'.). I had a number of experiences that clearly demonstrated that another dynamic had 'taken charge', although being 'subjective' its workings were somewhat harder to follow.
It had actually been "following' my progress all along, even prior to my membership in OTO, as I have related; once I received my Second Degree (actually, on the VERY SAME DAY I received it) I was given an actual "task" to undertake; one that took about two years, and involved my "magickally assisting a group of 'reincarnated Templar Knights' to establish themselves on the earthly plane."
At the time I was told of it (late August 2000 or thereabouts), I recall thinking the business of "Templar Knights" seemed excessively fanciful, and even a bit grandiose; I assumed that the "knight" reference was merely a figure of speech. What a surprise then, to encounter actual 'knights" i.e. a group of men actively engaged in serious historical research and 'medieval re-enactment' of actual medieval swordfighting techniques, complete with real swords and real armour!
There was no mistaking the nature of the encounter, either: I met up with them on the weekend of October 13, 2000, under the auspices of the first full Moon (in Aries, the Sign of the Warrior) on a Friday the13 in 400 years!
Two weeks previously, I had picked up, purely at random, a newspaper section on the subway. I unfolded the paper, happy to have found some reading material to occupy my subway ride, and saw there, on the front page, a picture of two men in armour engaged in a swordfight, and an article about this group, and the October weekend workshop they were putting on.
I had been told in a 'vision" about 4-6 weeks previous to this "subway encounter": "You will meet up with the Grand Master very soon. You will know him when you see him; there will be no mistake about this."
The article also featured a head-and-shoulders picture of the man who had founded the group and I knew the moment I saw it that this was the "Grand Master" I had been told about!
When I saw the date of the workshop when I would be able to meet him, all doubts were banished. It would take too long to detail all the little Templar 'signs and symbols' that I was "showered with" in the context of this group, and which served to reassure me that none of any of it was the product of my own "fantasies", but suffice it to say; within a week of our meetup, the notion of it all being "mere coincidence" or "wishful thinking" had been laid to rest FOREVER.
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Post by rembrandt on Dec 31, 2011 22:08:39 GMT
Would it be problematic that the Order of the Temple as continuously existed in Portugal under a slight name change and therefore that hasn't been a reason to establish or re-establish the Order of the Temple?
The Order of the Temple has had a continuous existance and anything other than that is wishful thinking.
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Post by vajranagini on Jan 1, 2012 22:18:46 GMT
Would it be problematic that the Order of the Temple as continuously existed in Portugal under a slight name change and therefore that hasn't been a reason to establish or re-establish the Order of the Temple? How would this be a problem? F'r instance, if there is no Masonic Lodge in a town, going about 'establishing' a Lodge there does not negate the fact of every other Masonic Lodge in the world that currently exists or has existed over the centuries. The Order of the Temple has had a continuous existance and anything other than that is wishful thinking. For once we agree on something. "The Temple" has never ceased to exist at any time, and its Orders, wherever and whenever they may be or have been, are all part of its "being".
It is said "Once an Initiate, always an Initiate". If one accepts the reality of reincarnation, there is no a priori reason why a Masonic Lodge or Templar Commandery that existed in the past should not be able to 're-establish' itself on the material plane, and be able to 'summon" its former Brethren to regroup and re-establish the "body" of the Lodge or Commandery that existed in former times.
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Post by rembrandt on Jan 2, 2012 3:32:08 GMT
By what evidence should we simply accept that reincarnation is a fact?
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Post by sid on Jan 2, 2012 12:58:57 GMT
That's a difficult one. Personally, I believe that one can only prove it for oneself by personal experience. Here is an essay on the subject: www.box.com/shared/xv57erjrdk
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Post by rembrandt on Jan 2, 2012 15:58:39 GMT
I am telepathic but it can only be proven to me. I am also telekinetic but if you are watching or measuring it in any way then it won't work.
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Post by vajranagini on Jan 2, 2012 21:35:40 GMT
That's a difficult one. Personally, I believe that one can only prove it for oneself by personal experience. Here is an essay on the subject: www.box.com/shared/xv57erjrdkExactly right. Until one has 'personal experience" of the fact of one's own reincarnation, it remains purely theoretical, rather like the experience of Sufi mystical states, in fact!. I have already described my own personal experience of reincarnation right here on this forum, and I have even had personal confirmation via the return of the "being " of another. It must be noted that theologies that 'deny' the fact of reincarnation generally do so only because they do not wish their followers to 'put off" spiritual work' for "other lifetimes"; they want them to buckle down to it NOW. So they keep the fact of reincarnation a SECRET (like x-tianity does). The fact that x-tianity DOES accept reincarnation as a fact of existence is shown by its very own doctrine of Jesus "returning" at some unspecified future date. The fact of this being true of EVERYBODY is what is kept SECRET.
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Post by rembrandt on Jan 3, 2012 0:05:59 GMT
It would be "purely theoretical" because a theory requires evidence. It would not even be a hypothesis because that would require something be tractable or based upon theory at the bare minimum. In fact, reincarcation is supported by no evidence whatsoever except what you and a few others absolutely know as truth that no other person can see and it cannot be adequately transferred without others sharing in the delusion.
What makes the "personal confirmation" correct and not delusion? Why should any other person accept it? If it is true that it is an absolute fact but it can't be shared why are there folks attempting to share it?
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Post by vajranagini on Jan 3, 2012 1:51:38 GMT
This can be so because the nature of Sufi is exactly the same; it is impossible to explain the nature of Sufi mystical revelation in words; it must be "experienced". If you have not had "the experience" it is not possible to explain it to you, or to persuade you of its validity. I admit I am AMAZED to be having this conversation with someone who claims to be heavily involved in Sufi and to "know all about it".>shakes head in disbelief<
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Post by rembrandt on Jan 3, 2012 16:22:38 GMT
I wouldn't say that I have been "amazed" by some of the stuff that you post around here but I can say that I am entertained. Don't you worry about me and what I may or may not know.
The previous questions: What makes the "personal confirmation" correct and not delusion? Why should any other person accept it? If it is true that it is an absolute fact but it can't be shared why are there folks attempting to share it?
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Post by fractal3rd on Jan 4, 2012 17:32:09 GMT
hi all, compliements of the season dudes. Hope it was gud. I don't think its statistically possible to call something a theory/hypothesis and a fact at the same time. But thats not my point. I have to ask, ceteris paribus, and even religion aside, if one were to know their past life, what would u do with that? How shall it benefit one now? Its clear if u subscirbe to reincarnation, that ur past life was not pure enough to proceed to enlightenment with the True Light, hence reincarnation. So why care about at all? Should we not life for our life now, the best we can? I am not askin to be arguementative but rather to be enlighted (ooops wrong choice of word there.). Seriously tho if knowing could somehow help, great! Anyhoo the MPCG of our region and i had an awesome chat about reincarnation. The thing i like about lodge is the great genuine tolerance for everyones beliefs. No one would dare poke fun at my being a christian and I would not dare belittle their belief. Also for reincarnaton to occur jesus would have had to die, since he did and rose again (my belief) then he cannot be reincarnated. The same is ture of elijah and enoch the 2 phrophets many claim will be reincarnated, they never died.
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Post by vajranagini on Jan 6, 2012 5:51:44 GMT
hi all, compliements of the season dudes. Hope it was gud. I don't think its statistically possible to call something a theory/hypothesis and a fact at the same time. But thats not my point. I have to ask, ceteris paribus, and even religion aside, if one were to know their past life, what would u do with that? It depends on what the purpose of one's life is. If one was reincarnating for a definite purpose, the past lives you remember will serve to 'awaken" you to it. At least that is how it was for me. (In my account of the 'strange burning-body smell"past-life experience I was grateful that the remembrance was "broken up"; I doubt my mental stability could have withstood the double impact of both the emotional highlights and the mental picture of what brought them on originally!)
However, if one is merely 'food for the moon", one will either be converted immediately to the doctrine, or one will be scarred half to death with the recollection like that "Persephone" in Michael Ovason's "Zelator" How shall it benefit one now? "Certainty, not faith while in life.." Its clear if u subscirbe to rincarnation, that ur past life was not pure enough to proceed to enlightenment with the True Light, hence reincarnation. Not necessarily. it is perfectly possible for Eastern and Western adepts and "Secret Chiefs" to reincarnate in an "aware" manner in the service of the Divine.
Anyone who has ever met a tulku lama knows this to be so. No mere Westerner could learn half of what they know about the minutiae of Eastern deities and the intricacy of spiritual practices without years and years of study; when you meet them it is quite apparent that the only explanation for the capacities of the person now inhabiting that Western body is that they have had had a previous life (or lives) as a lama in a Far Eastern tradition in order to be so knowledgeable!. So why care about at all? Should we not life for our life now, the best we can? I am not askin to be arguementative but rather to be enlighted (ooops wrong choice of word there.). The term "enlightened"actually refere to "lightening the burden of ignorance" and is an ongoing process Seriously tho if knowing could somehow help, great! Anyhoo the MPCG of our region and i had an awesome chat about reincarnation. The thing i like about lodge is the great genuine tolerance for everyones beliefs. No one would dare poke fun at my being a christian and I would not dare belittle their belief. Also for reincarnaton to occur jesus would have had to die, since he did and rose again (my belief) then he cannot be reincarnated. The same is ture of elijah and enoch the 2 phrophets many claim will be reincarnated, they never died. There is a school of thought that says they may not have been human to begin with. One of these two (Enoch, I think) is said to be the Archangel Uriel. As anyone who has done the work knows, there is no doubt of the actuality of this Being, thus it is not too unlikely that the other of the two was also some great Being, and not an actual , limited human being, hence the idea of them "not dying".
Also, there is no a prori reason why "Jesus" cannot do exactly what he wishes to do, including to be able to reincarnate any time he wishes. If a being is "Divine' then by definition they are not limited by the pesky laws that limit other, lesser beings.
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