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El's
Apr 20, 2011 23:39:55 GMT
Post by maat on Apr 20, 2011 23:39:55 GMT
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El's
Apr 20, 2011 23:50:13 GMT
Post by sid on Apr 20, 2011 23:50:13 GMT
Are these linked to the 4 points/walls of the temple, and if so how? I am looking for a 'serious' source, info, books etc. Is there a traditional link between the 4 so called beasts i.e., Homo, Bos, Aguila and Leo? I am also looking for a numerical formula linking numbers to music i.e., numbers hidden music. Thanks.
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El's
Apr 21, 2011 1:10:55 GMT
Post by maat on Apr 21, 2011 1:10:55 GMT
You might like Franz Bardon's books. Franz Bardon locates the 72 Genious / angels of the Qabalah in the sphere of Hod (mercury); I was led to Bardon via a dream. Interesting to note that in the dream the book I was reading was snatched from my hand by a man riding a motorbike. He replaced my book with one on Alchemy. I laughed about the motorbike bit till it occurred to me that there is the Mercury brand of motorbikes. Mercury was delivering me a message
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El's
Apr 21, 2011 1:15:25 GMT
Post by maat on Apr 21, 2011 1:15:25 GMT
The "Four Living Creatures" are not in the same class with the "Elders," for they have no "thrones" or "crowns" or "harps" or "golden vials." They are the "Guardians" of the Throne of God, and accompany it wherever it goes. Ez. 1:24-28. They are four in number, which is the "earth number," and therefore have something to do with the earth. That is, they are interested in the "re-genesis" of the earth to its former glory before the Fall. They have eyes before and behind and within, which reveals their intelligence and spiritual insight of things past, present, and to come, and they are tireless in their service, for they rest not day nor night, saying, "Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come."
www.sacred-texts.com/chr/tbr/tbr023.htm
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El's
Apr 21, 2011 4:27:15 GMT
Post by vajranagini on Apr 21, 2011 4:27:15 GMT
Actually, it's not "Els'- "ELOHIM" is the correct plural form, though the fact that EL is FEMININE and "-ohim" is a masculine termination in Hebrew has been pointed out often enough in occult literature; it points up the fact that the ELOHIM were responsible for Creation and for "gender": "Male and Female created He them". Also, "El" ("AL", actually, as transcribed from Hebrew) is the God-Name for the Sephirah of Chesed on the Tree of Life, although ELOHIM begins all God-Names on the Pillar of Feminine Pillar [of Severity]
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El's
Apr 21, 2011 4:41:03 GMT
Post by vajranagini on Apr 21, 2011 4:41:03 GMT
Are these linked to the 4 points/walls of the temple, and if so how? Of course they are. The temple is always visualized as being foursquarely aligned with the directions in the same way the walls must rise at 90 degrees from the ground, in order that one be brought into alignment with the Cosmos ("ordered whole") and not with Chaos (disorder) When working ritual this sort of attention to detail is fairly crucial.I am looking for a 'serious' source, info, books etc. Manley P.Hall's "Secret Teachings of All Ages" would be a good place to start. Manley P. Hall was a "Masonic mystic"; he wrote knowledgeably of Masonic Mysteries when he was 23-and never been Raised!
There are "sacred alignment" traditions in Eastern culture; in India they refer to it as "vastu"Is there a traditional link between the 4 so called beasts i.e., Homo, Bos, Aguila and Leo? They are the four "Fixed" Signs of the ZodiacI am also looking for a numerical formula linking numbers to music i.e., numbers hidden music. Then you need to look deeper, at "resonance", where music begins. The great adept Gurdjieff spoke of these things, you may want to read 'In Search of the Miraculous"Thanks.
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El's
Apr 21, 2011 5:28:46 GMT
Post by maat on Apr 21, 2011 5:28:46 GMT
The mothers of Jesus, John the Baptist and Isaac were all visited by Shining Ones/Angels and told they were pregnant.
All resulting childred proved to be different from the norm.
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El's
Apr 22, 2011 22:19:19 GMT
Post by vajranagini on Apr 22, 2011 22:19:19 GMT
You might like Franz Bardon's books. Franz Bardon locates the 72 Genious / angels of the Qabalah in the sphere of Hod (mercury); I was led to Bardon via a dream. Interesting to note that in the dream the book I was reading was snatched from my hand by a man riding a motorbike. He replaced my book with one on Alchemy. I laughed about the motorbike bit till it occurred to me that there is the Mercury brand of motorbikes. Mercury was delivering me a message Doncha love it when stuff like this happens? I get it happening to me in real life too. But you can't explain it to anyone it hasn't already happened to. I have had people deliver messages to me, and afterwards have no recollection of ever having done so; yet they came to me to tell me something I needed to know right at that moment, and which had the effect of giving me the upper hand in an "archetypal" situation in which I was involved. This is where Crowley and I really clicked, was this notion of "Hermes Eimi"; when I would "become Hermes" things would really start to happen!.
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El's
Apr 27, 2011 14:03:45 GMT
Post by ruffashlar on Apr 27, 2011 14:03:45 GMT
I thought all this was fairly common knowledge. The word el is the common Canaanite word for a god of any kind, and hence came to be a common term of reference for Jehovah. Thus micha-el = "Who resembles Jehovah?" The syllable el in the word angel (Greek aggelos = messenger) is unrelated. Greek is an Indo-European language, Hebrew an Afro-Asiatic one, so there's no likelihood of a link. Sorry
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El's
Apr 28, 2011 0:53:56 GMT
Post by maat on Apr 28, 2011 0:53:56 GMT
The word el is the common Canaanite word for a god of any kind, and hence came to be a common term of reference for Jehovah. Thus micha-el = "Who resembles Jehovah?" ( So angels and gods are like each other. And each give or send us messages. And an amazing coincidence.
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El's
Apr 28, 2011 1:04:09 GMT
Post by maat on Apr 28, 2011 1:04:09 GMT
The syllable el in the word angel (Greek aggelos = messenger) is unrelated. Greek is an Indo-European language, Hebrew an Afro-Asiatic one, so there's no likelihood of a link. What if the black skinned and yellow skinned races were the first to arrive upon our planet and the Indians were a result of interbreeding of these two? Everything is linked one way or the other. (the sons of god came down to earth and co-habited with the daughters of men?)
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El's
Apr 28, 2011 1:06:33 GMT
Post by maat on Apr 28, 2011 1:06:33 GMT
Different aliens/elohim/gods, different colours, features, psychologies? Hence our diversity?
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El's
Apr 28, 2011 3:02:49 GMT
Post by maat on Apr 28, 2011 3:02:49 GMT
Angels are sub-luminary spirits, whereas Gods are planetary spirits. Planetary Spirits. Primarily the rulers or governors of the planets. As our earth has its hierarchy of terrestrial planetary spirits, from the highest to the lowest plane, so has every other heavenly body. In Occultism, however, the term "Planetary Spirit" is generally applied only to the seven highest hierarchies corresponding to the Christian archangels. These have all passed through a stage of evolution corresponding to the humanity of earth on other worlds, in long past cycles. Our earth, being as yet only in its fourth round, is far too young to have produced high planetary spirits. The highest planetary spirit ruling over any globe is in reality the "Personal God" of that planet and far more truly its "over-ruling providence" than the self-contradictory Infinite Personal Deity of modern Churchianity.
www.experiencefestival.com/a/Planetary_Spirits/id/202302
... another lodge with seven officers?
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El's
Apr 28, 2011 3:05:19 GMT
Post by maat on Apr 28, 2011 3:05:19 GMT
Sub-luminary spirits and planetary spirits have no need (or the means) to co-habit with the daughters of men, by the way.
I vote aliens.
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El's
Apr 28, 2011 3:15:25 GMT
Post by maat on Apr 28, 2011 3:15:25 GMT
Talking about which...
I am having an interesting conversation with an esteemed Bro on another forum re being given information, taking the advice and then keeping eyes and ears open for feedback.
Whilst typing away here mention was made of a girl's name, Eleanor. I grinned to myself thinking another 'el' word, what a coincidence. Then a second person said, "yes, I have always loved that name. I think of someone statueque, very tall and elegant".
Needless to say I had to look to the heavens with a grin and say "thank you God".
I vote m.high aliens ... at least somewhere between the outer rim of the whole and the centre.
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El's
May 2, 2011 0:24:48 GMT
Post by maat on May 2, 2011 0:24:48 GMT
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El's
May 2, 2011 0:25:42 GMT
Post by maat on May 2, 2011 0:25:42 GMT
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El's
May 3, 2011 6:54:49 GMT
Post by maat on May 3, 2011 6:54:49 GMT
Some Notable Examples Worldwide
♦ One of the most fascinating cases of giants in U. S. history are the Smithsonian Giants. During the genocidal conquest of the indigenous peoples of North America, the United States Calvary and hired mercenaries encountered giants living among the tribes, and engaged in direct combat with them. The mindset used to justify the wholesale slaughter of many, and forced relocation of the rest of these tribes, was that they were sub-human; their darker skin being a key to this gross misconception. The giants they encountered and killed were red-headed with white skin. Fearing a backlash from the American people for killing whites, giants or not, the government ordered that all bodies of these giants be retrieved and shipped to the Smithsonian Institute, to hide the damaging evidence. We have no idea if those bodies were ever disposed of, but there is sufficient evidence available from the Smithsonian officials and documentation of the time to believe this actually occurred [/i][/blockquote] I didn't know that. Or this.. At Agadir, in Morocco, the French Captain Lafanechere discovered a complete arsenal of hunting weapons, including five hundred double-edged axes weighing over seventeen pounds, 20 times as heavy as would be convenient for modern man. To use these tools would require the hands of a size appropriate to a giant with a stature of at least 13 feet.
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El's
May 3, 2011 14:46:18 GMT
Post by nventr on May 3, 2011 14:46:18 GMT
Sub-luminary spirits and planetary spirits have no need (or the means) to co-habit with the daughters of men, by the way. I vote aliens. It seems to me that those who think aliens had a part in creating the world wonders have no faith in humankind and its ability to solve problems and create on a grand scale. If we all believed in our inner or creative abilities, we could accomplish all the ancients did and more. The other thought that comes to mind is that anyone who believes that myths, parable, and teaching stories are recounting real physical events, has not had any type of mystical spiritual experience. IMO, spiritual experiences are just emotional or adrenaline overload. It feels good, but you have to work at it to have it happen again. Also like any addiction, it takes more and more input to get an emotional response or spiritual experience. Mystics can see God everywhere all the time. There are cases of Giantism even today. It might be that there were more of them in the past because in pre-historic times the biggest and mightiest did survive the harshness of life at that time. Now humans rely on their brains and don't need such brawn to survive. Maybe that is part of a parable of David and Golith. We see the switch from hunter/gather to agrarian in the early Old Testament. Now the tribes see in David that brains are mightier than pure brawn. I know I picked my husband for his smarts and not his size or looks. So, natural selection can be seen as the cause of human size shrinking over the eons.
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El's
May 4, 2011 0:49:33 GMT
Post by maat on May 4, 2011 0:49:33 GMT
Hi nventr - always enjoy talking to you. Yep, heavy into giants and shining ones at the moment. They keep presenting themselves to me for consideration. Others might call this 'co-incidence' I have actually come to the conclusion that mankind is placed on earth to experience hardship and challenges - we have to run the course so to speak. Perservere throughout the ordeal of our initiation. A school. Schools present challenges to be overcome. Of course we can create on a grand scale, we see that all around us. But the general populace still cannot acknowledge that there were those in the past whose expertise excelled even our current achievements. They still argue about whether the great flood and the earth upheavals of those time ever happened - despite ample scientific evidence. Re: Elohim, aliens, ghosts, all unusual folk... throughout the ages, in all cultures and civilisations people have reported the same sorts of meetings. We have canonized saints who saw shining ones. I believe anyone who says they have seen a ghost because I have had a close encounter with one myself (full 3D version). Departed ones have come to tell me happy family news... unknown by anyone at the time. Myths &, parables (simplified stories for those that can't handle The Truth ;D) have proved to be very useful. Myths are regularly busted (Troy - Atlantis/Mu ? = sunken civilisations which are now verified by underwater photography). The conclusion reached by all those who have not experienced other realities. Which is fair enough. But it would seem that there are a whole lot of emotional and adrenaline overloaded people out there in the world, including highly respected scientists, world leaders, doctors, and lets now forget highly trained observers such as policemen, pilots, researchers. My favourite officers in Masonry? The two deacons and the Principal Sojourner have been very good friends to me.
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