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Post by peter2 on Jan 4, 2017 21:25:03 GMT
Also there are Hindu influences (the Excellent Master veils) and many Sumerian influences e.g. the 18th Generals
And who provides the triple grip?
And who provided the pavement?
And who the 4 Tassels?
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Post by peter2 on Jan 4, 2017 23:36:05 GMT
>The High Priest of Melqart. Final answer.
Not even close.
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Post by peter2 on Jan 5, 2017 3:10:34 GMT
>Temples of Melqart did have mosaic floors
Tiles do go back a long way but the arrangement used in some Masonic temples is quite specific.
In the 18th century in Europe it was common to have a floor cloth or have the TB drawn in chalk.
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Post by offramp on Jan 5, 2017 6:57:04 GMT
What are Thales?
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Post by peter2 on Jan 5, 2017 7:14:01 GMT
>This is by John Harris, and is somewhat unique:
Notice that the east end of the pavement is circular while the signs of the zodiac are in straight lines.
What is happening?
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Post by peter2 on Jan 6, 2017 9:15:13 GMT
It seems our recent poster has removed all his posts. Perhaps he regrets his disclosures.
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Post by bradwatson74 on Oct 16, 2019 19:38:29 GMT
1. Guilds of Operative Masons throughout Europe 2. Knights Templar 3. Gnostic Christians 4. Jewish mystics: Essenes, Kaballists & ancient builders of Solomon's Temple 5. Ancient mysteries of Essenes, Druids, Egyptians, Babylonians, Sumerians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Scandinavians, Mayans, etc.
10.19.19 Do I need to tweak this list some more?
- Brad Watson, Miamiteacher http://7seals.blogspot.com 7seals.yuku.comRevelationRevealed.proboards.com
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Post by boreades on Oct 16, 2019 21:06:23 GMT
How about a few more threads in the weave?
The line of high priestess of Egypt (in exile) Miriam (Mery Amon, half-sister of Akhenaten / Moses) --> Merytaten --> Scota --> ... --> Mary Magdalan
The Way of Hermes, in which the Hermetic believer was initiated into several grades.
The Ogdoadic Tradition (Ogdoad / Hermatism) in Alexandria with Egyptian and Mithriac connections, akin to a Masonic lodge. "The members of this group called themselves 'brethren,' were initiated through a baptism of the Spirit, greeted each other with a sacred kiss, celebrated a sacred meal and read the Hermetic writings as edifying treatises for their spiritual progress." - but this is *not* the Roman Mithriasm that some (including me at one time) think of as an ancestor of Freemasonry. The Alexandrian version has a purer connection with the Zoroastrian original.
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Post by peter2 on Oct 16, 2019 23:44:40 GMT
Here are the founders of China - with square and compasses, sun moon and stars, hand over back and a few knee-equivalents I hardly need to point out that The Widow Isis and her husband Osiris/Asar were also depicted as serpents Asar was known as "the god of three steps" since he sat on top of three steps just as does the WM in the lodge In some legends, their son Hor/Heru/Horus, conceived by artificial insemination since the father was dead - hence very much the son of the widow, later raised his father from the dead. Since most vowels were not written, Heru and Hiram are difficult to distinguish etymologically - likewise Hercules, Hermes and Hera - all heroes.
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Post by 2211 on Oct 17, 2019 1:40:16 GMT
Roman Collegia Several similarities can be found with Modern Freemasonry and in my opinion was a heavy influence on its current form. Just another link in the chain
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Post by peter2 on Oct 17, 2019 1:48:02 GMT
Arguably the skull and crossed thigh bones are a reference to the risen Osiris - raised by his son Heru.
Thus the Templar naval battle flag with skull and crossbones meant that death is a doorway.
But the sign really goes back to Horus the Elder.
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Post by boreades on Oct 17, 2019 19:17:50 GMT
Did you find a suitable answer?
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Post by offramp on Oct 17, 2019 21:24:35 GMT
I did not.
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Post by boreades on Oct 17, 2019 22:05:26 GMT
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Post by 2211 on Oct 25, 2019 21:46:52 GMT
Arguably the skull and crossed thigh bones are a reference to the risen Osiris - raised by his son Heru. Thus the Templar naval battle flag with skull and crossbones meant that death is a doorway. But the sign really goes back to Horus the Elder. Death IS a doorway, in older traditions it was a gate. How we have lived.
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Post by Lux/Nūr on Oct 28, 2021 2:23:11 GMT
Modern Freemasonry seems to have appeared for the first time in England & Scotland in the 16th century. Its predecessors & influences were...
1. Guilds of Operative Masons 2. Knights Templar 3. Gnostic Christians 4. Jewish mystics: Kaballists & ancient builders of Solomon's Temple 5. Ancient mysteries of Druids, Egypt, Babylon, Sumeria, Persia, Greece, Roman, Scandinavian, Mayans, etc.
Do I need to tweak this list?
- Brad Watson, Miamiteacher 7seals.yuku.comRevelationRevealed.proboards.com Rosicrucianism, as also preceded by the Nizari Ismailis and the Ikhwan Safa.
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Post by boreades on Oct 30, 2021 9:42:33 GMT
If one accepts that Freemasonry was in Scotland before England, then the path may also include the Monks of Tiron. Why did they start in that part of Wales? Firstly, according to Emily Pritchard, it seems an appropriate site for master builders: The phrasing should not be lost on brethren familiar with the first artificer in metals. Emily Pritchard also comments that : If it was great poverty, it was a temporary one, as the Monks of Tiron soon accumulated great wealth. Rather, the choice of sheep's skin may have been a very practical one, as a sheepskin, or a leather apron, provides much more protection to a stone worker than an ordinary monk's habit would or could. The Cistercian monks, who did not trouble themselves with manual labour like this, would have no need of sheepskin habits. The leather apron later acquired a symbolism all of its own, as the Tironensians became the originators of operative and speculative freemasonry in Scotland. In Scotland, the Tironensians were the monks and master craftsmen who built and occupied (until the Reformation) the abbeys of Selkirk (later re-located to Kelso (1128), Arbroath (1178), and Kilwinning (1140+). Kil part of Kilwinning, Kilmarnock, Kilbride etc. = cil = cell = Culdee. It seems like the older Culdee church willingly merged with the Tironensian monks as a welcome alternative to being Romanised. www.kilwinning.org/motherlodge/default.htm
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