Post by Tamrin on Nov 7, 2012 19:39:26 GMT
Tamrin, the fact that you haven't gotten an example of a Communist state is simple, Communism is stateless.
Commiegirl, while Marx predicted that a communist state would eventually wither away, he did not envisage the communist stage of his mistaken, hypothetical, dialectic progression to be stateless. Statehood in all the so-called communist states has been very substantial.
I've already pointed out plenty of historical and current examples of Socialism.
What I am asking for is an example of one which morphed into communism.
Under Socialism, you need a strong state for the expressed purpose of continued aggravation of class struggle.
www.freemediaproductions.info/Editorials/2010/10/31/aggravation-of-class-struggle-under-socialism/
The theory has yet to be demonstrated in practice. In practice, class struggle and social discontent are ameliorated.
Socialism typically reaches a relatively stable point where social discontentment is contained.
The welfare states of western Europe were not politically divisive. They were socially re-dis-
tributive in general intent (some more than others) but not at all revolutionary—they did not
‘soak the rich’. On the contrary: although the greatest immediate advantage was felt by the
poor, the real long-term beneficiaries were the professional and commercial middle class. In
many cases they had not previously been eligible for work-related health, unemployment or
retirement benefits and had been obliged, before the war, to purchase such services and benefits
from the private sector. Now they had full access to them, either free or at low cost. Taken with
the state provision of free or subsidized secondary and higher education for their children, this left
the salaried professional and white-collar classes with both a better quality of life and more dispos-
able income. Far from dividing the social classes against each other, the European welfare state
bound them closer together than ever before, with a common interest in its preservation and defense
Tony Judt, FBA
tributive in general intent (some more than others) but not at all revolutionary—they did not
‘soak the rich’. On the contrary: although the greatest immediate advantage was felt by the
poor, the real long-term beneficiaries were the professional and commercial middle class. In
many cases they had not previously been eligible for work-related health, unemployment or
retirement benefits and had been obliged, before the war, to purchase such services and benefits
from the private sector. Now they had full access to them, either free or at low cost. Taken with
the state provision of free or subsidized secondary and higher education for their children, this left
the salaried professional and white-collar classes with both a better quality of life and more dispos-
able income. Far from dividing the social classes against each other, the European welfare state
bound them closer together than ever before, with a common interest in its preservation and defense
Tony Judt, FBA