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Post by Tamrin on Nov 4, 2013 7:35:06 GMT
Did you read the article? If by "article" you mean the 15 minute YouTube slide show with sparse text, to my regret I did. It was mind-numbing, vacuous woo. I had issue with practically every slide. From your many mistaken assertions regarding masonic ritual, you are obviously NOT a mason.
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 4, 2013 7:37:26 GMT
I am well aware of that however, when taken in the conglomerate the odds increase exponetially that they are connected to the triad and septet of Masonry. Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus.
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 4, 2013 7:50:02 GMT
I am aware that three more degrees called Cryptic Masonry were ADDED to the original rite (as with the Templar degree) but these are not original to the system which is where my interest lies. Original Masonry had seven degrees based on the seven day creation week. Just as the Capitular Degrees were added to the three degrees of the premier grand lodge and it had added the third degree to the earlier bigradal rite and there was an earlier, rudimentary monogradal rite.
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 4, 2013 8:00:50 GMT
The "ruffian" IS Narmer, shown in what became a conventional pharaonic depiction. SITCHIN IS WRONG.COM Actually, Narmer is the one doing the smiting, not the one being smitten If Hiram represents Narmer, from the manner of his death, one would expect that HE was the one being smitten.
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 4, 2013 8:04:18 GMT
Harvard Graduated Jim Marrs
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 4, 2013 8:11:41 GMT
To show you that the Egyptologists are not exact in their interpretations is the fact that they call the flower on Narmer's Palette a "Rosette" which is blatantly rediculous because the Rose is not indigenous to Egypt (but Mesopotamia) but the Acacia Plant is with the oldest acacia artifact found right in Djoser's Sakkara. "Rosette" not "Rose." "Rosette" means roselike and would be superfluous if referring to an actual rose. Instead it describes the a figure or pattern (e.g., the clusters of spots on a leopard's fur are called rosettes).
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Post by Theoferrum on Nov 4, 2013 21:58:48 GMT
Did you read the article? If by "article" you mean the 15 minute YouTube slide show with sparse text, to my regret I did. It was mind-numbing, vacuous woo. I had issue with practically every slide. I prefer this alternative. From your many mistaken assertions regarding masonic ritual, you are obviously NOT a mason. No, I'm just a Lewis.
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Post by Theoferrum on Nov 4, 2013 22:03:49 GMT
I am aware that three more degrees called Cryptic Masonry were ADDED to the original rite (as with the Templar degree) but these are not original to the system which is where my interest lies. Original Masonry had seven degrees based on the seven day creation week. Just as the Capitular Degrees were added to the three degrees of the premier grand lodge and it had added the third degree to the earlier bigradal rite and there was an earlier, rudimentary monogradal rite. Well, that's runny cause the Crata Repoa reports Seven Degrees Anciently and the Masons themselves (quote below) disagree with your, "misrepresentation of Masonic Ritual" so I guess that means its obvious you're not a mason, huh? You're not a Mormon pretending to be a Mason are you like the administrator of the Master (bater) Masonic Forum who insulted all Masons by claiming it was a Mason who invented the Tinfoil Hat - he knew so much about that subject that it is obvious he must have one of his own. "The York Rite, or more correctly, the American Rite, is based on the early remnants of Craft Masonry that were practiced in the early 1700's. The formation of the first Grand Lodge of England in 1717 specified that the lodges were to confer only the degrees of Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft, and Master Mason, all other degrees being considered spurious. However, many lodges had been conferring other degrees that they considered an integral part of Masonry, in particular that of the Royal Arch."www.yorkrite.com/degrees/
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Post by Theoferrum on Nov 4, 2013 22:04:59 GMT
Actually, Narmer is the one doing the smiting, not the one being smitten If Hiram represents Narmer, from the manner of his death, one would expect that HE was the one being smitten. Indeed - that just shows you why the Egyptologists interpretations are open to re-interpretation - see comment below.
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Post by Theoferrum on Nov 4, 2013 22:05:44 GMT
Harvard Graduated Jim Marrs Must be it was the Xpert in Sumerrian that was the Harvard Grad.
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 4, 2013 22:43:31 GMT
Must be it was the Xpert in Sumerrian that was the Harvard Grad. Do you get anything right?
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 4, 2013 22:47:55 GMT
Well, that's runny cause the Crata Repoa reports Seven Degrees Anciently. I suggest you look beyond fanciful and romantic accounts. For starters, try A Pragmatic Masonic History.
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 4, 2013 22:50:23 GMT
Masons themselves ... disagree with your, "misrepresentation of Masonic Ritual" so I guess that means its obvious you're not a mason, huh? I will let my Brethren decide.
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Post by Theoferrum on Nov 4, 2013 23:03:09 GMT
Well, that's runny cause the Crata Repoa reports Seven Degrees Anciently. So, since the connection of Djoser and Osiris to the Narmer's Palette has been called into question, lets look at it a little closer. Osiris is credited with being the first Temple Builder and the first one to use "Secret Rites" in said Temples and yet the oldest Temple Mound in Egypt is right in Nekhen (The City of the Falcon) which (per Mark Lehner, "The Complete Pyramids") was built by Djoser and the old rite used on that mound was the Rite of the Mound of Jemme - this was Horus on his Green referring to the Creation Mound (and possibly the origins for the sign of Gemini the most ancient religion). And, guess where Narmer's Palette was found. Right on that Mound in Nekhen. Now, since I have shown that the Palette is, in fact, an Heraldic Device (among other things being, not only in the shape of a shield but the actual size of a shield at 27 inches high), then it is obvious that Djoser was displaying his own personal Heraldic Crest and, in doing so, served to originate the Masonic Tracing Board as well. Thus the Initiate was a New Creation with the First Degree. Geb's (Earth's) Ancestral Scepter passed to his son Osiris and the Cartouche of Djoser shows a man holding a Scepter tipped with a Head of Lettuce. Geb's name literally means 'piles of earth' referring, once again, to the Creation Mound. Djoser's earlier name was Netjeryket which means God by (in the) Flesh making him one of the gods as was Osiris himself and as his 'ancester' Khasekhemvy claimed to be as the incarnation of Horus. Mount Heredom, supposedly, never existed, yet the name in Hebrew is literally the Red Mountain and this is assuredly referring to the Red Pyramid of Menkaure. Along these lines is the Native American Masonry that is apparently from the same source as the Druids Masonry (Heironimus, "Founding Fathers - Secret Societies) and which records that Red Hand was shot with a poisoned arrow and tortured for the secret of his power and then scalped (kinda like beheaded, huh). Now, the Keystone is famous in Masonry and one reason is that in the Heavens the Keystone is located in the constellation of Hercules. The reason for this is because, before the 23* Pole Shift the Pole Star was the star where Hercules has his knee planted in the ground. Now, that Pole Star position was guarded by a Fox in the Egyptian Dendarah (third image above) and this is significant because, the Egyptian Hieroglyph called the Three Foxes (below) Calls to mind the Sign from Mason of the Three Masters. So, it is not surprising that the Gate to the House of Osiris (which had Seven Pillars) was guarded by three gods - A Doorkeeper, A Watchman and a Herald. The Rubble that he was thrown into would have been the rubble from the wall around the Pyramid that had been destroyed by the tsunami from the Pole Shift. The moster wall at Baalbek was destoyed by a tsunami from the Med Sea which allowed the enemy in and which Gilgamesh took credit for. Speaking of Gilgamesh - this is a compound word with the 'a' linking the two together. Mesh in Sumerrian means Hero and is the exact equivelent of the Egyptian Mesn (our Masons) which means the Masons were Heros because they helped Osiris guard the Tree and helped Horus with his vengeance. There were no vowels originally so Gilg was simply GLG or Gawg = Gog of Ezekial. This was Cain who had a speech impediment concerning certain gutteral sounds which earned him a nickname which stuck making him the original Demagogue and the author of the Epic as its hero. The substitue lost word of Masonry (MaHaBon) is assuredly the Hebrew Mahabo (Strong's # 4224) which meant Lodging or Shelter - the French Templars could not avoid adding the 'n' ending (bonne = good) and the Scots just spelled it the way the Templars were pronouncing it. In the ancient world you take the sandals off before you go to war which is the meaning of the phrase in Job (lose the bands of Orion) and is used in exactly this manner by John the Baptist (not worthy to lose the strings of his sandals) because all Israel was looking for a Conquoring Messiah and this is the exact meaning as on the Palette and, originally, in the Initiation ceremony. The Pot of Water he is holding is referring to washing the hands of bloodguilt and is how it is displayed on the Palette with the Faithful Servant (wearing the signet of Truth around his neck which is Osiris signet) and Narmer being guiltless of the blood that is being shed because the victims were merderers. This is how King David used it cause he didn't want to be guilty of the blood of his men and this is how Pilate used it at the trial and this is still used exactly to this day in the same manner in the Catholic Church where the Alter Boy pours water on the hands of the Priest before they start the Divine Liturgy. The Crata Repoa is not 'romantic' accounts but were taken from Historians over the last 2000 years or more and, I might add, Masons themselves offer the Crata Repoa and Manly Hall's books for sale on their various websites around the net so, I suggest you open your eyes. Finally, Albert Pike, concerning 33* Masonry specifically says that they specifically mislead the initiate (which is not true of York Rite Masonry) so why in the world would anyone want to be a part of that system?
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 4, 2013 23:14:51 GMT
So, since the connection of Djoser and Osiris to the Narmer's Palette has been called into question, lets look at it a little closer. Osiris is credited with being the first Temple Builder and the first one to use "Secret Rites" in said Temples and yet the oldest Temple Mound in Egypt is right in Nekhen (The City of the Falcon) which (per Mark Lehner, "The Complete Pyramids") was built by Djoser and the old rite used on that mound was the Rite of the Mound of Jemme - this was Horus on his Green referring to the Creation Mound (and possibly the origins for the sign of Gemini the most ancient religion). And, guess where Narmer's Palette was found. Right on that Mound in Nekhen. Now, since I have shown that the Palette is, in fact, an Heraldic Device (among other things being, not only in the shape of a shield but the actual size of a shield at 27 inches high), then it is obvious that Djoser was displaying his own personal Heraldic Crest and, in doing so, served to originate the Masonic Tracing Board as well. Thus the Initiate was a New Creation with the First Degree. Geb's (Earth's) Ancestral Scepter passed to his son Osiris and the Cartouche of Djoser shows a man holding a Scepter tipped with a Head of Lettuce. Geb's name literally means 'piles of earth' referring, once again, to the Creation Mound. Djoser's earlier name was Netjeryket which means God by (in the) Flesh making him one of the gods as was Osiris himself and as his 'ancester' Khasekhemvy claimed to be as the incarnation of Horus. Mount Heredom, supposedly, never existed, yet the name in Hebrew is literally the Red Mountain and this is assuredly referring to the Red Pyramid of Menkaure. Along these lines is the Native American Masonry that is apparently from the same source as the Druids Masonry (Heironimus, "Founding Fathers - Secret Societies) and which records that Red Hand was shot with a poisoned arrow and tortured for the secret of his power and then scalped (kinda like beheaded, huh). Now, the Keystone is famous in Masonry and one reason is that in the Heavens the Keystone is located in the constellation of Hercules. The reason for this is because, before the 23* Pole Shift the Pole Star was the star where Hercules has his knee planted in the ground. Now, that Pole Star position was guarded by a Fox in the Egyptian Dendarah (third image above) and this is significant because, the Egyptian Hieroglyph called the Three Foxes (below) Calls to mind the Sign from Mason of the Three Masters. So, it is not surprising that the Gate to the House of Osiris (which had Seven Pillars) was guarded by three gods - A Doorkeeper, A Watchman and a Herald. The Rubble that he was thrown into would have been the rubble from the wall around the Pyramid that had been destroyed by the tsunami from the Pole Shift. The moster wall at Baalbek was destoyed by a tsunami from the Med Sea which allowed the enemy in and which Gilgamesh took credit for. Speaking of Gilgamesh - this is a compound word with the 'a' linking the two together. Mesh in Sumerrian means Hero and is the exact equivelent of the Egyptian Mesn (our Masons) which means the Masons were Heros because they helped Osiris guard the Tree and helped Horus with his vengeance. There were no vowels originally so Gilg was simply GLG or Gawg = Gog of Ezekial. This was Cain who had a speech impediment concerning certain gutteral sounds which earned him a nickname which stuck making him the original Demagogue and the author of the Epic as its hero. The substitue lost word of Masonry (MaHaBon) is assuredly the Hebrew Mahabo (Strong's # 4224) which meant Lodging or Shelter - the French Templars could not avoid adding the 'n' ending (bonne = good) and the Scots just spelled it the way the Templars were pronouncing it. In the ancient world you take the sandals off before you go to war which is the meaning of the phrase in Job (lose the bands of Orion) and is used in exactly this manner by John the Baptist (not worthy to lose the strings of his sandals) because all Israel was looking for a Conquoring Messiah and this is the exact meaning as on the Palette and, originally, in the Initiation ceremony. The Pot of Water he is holding is referring to washing the hands of bloodguilt and is how it is displayed on the Palette with the Faithful Servant (wearing the signet of Truth around his neck which is Osiris signet) and Narmer being guiltless of the blood that is being shed because the victims were merderers. This is how King David used it cause he didn't want to be guilty of the blood of his men and this is how Pilate used it at the trial and this is still used exactly to this day in the same manner in the Catholic Church where the Alter Boy pours water on the hands of the Priest before they start the Divine Liturgy. The Crata Repoa is not 'romantic' accounts but were taken from Historians over the last 2000 years or more and, I might add, Masons themselves offer the Crata Repoa and Manly Hall's books for sale on their various websites around the net so, I suggest you open your eyes. Finally, Albert Pike, concerning 33* Masonry specifically says that they specifically mislead the initiate (which is not true of York Rite Masonry) so why in the world would anyone want to be a part of that system? I think not!
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 4, 2013 23:23:43 GMT
The substitue lost word of Masonry (MaHaBon) is assuredly the Hebrew Mahabo (Strong's # 4224) which meant Lodging or Shelter - the French Templars could not avoid adding the 'n' ending (bonne = good) and the Scots just spelled it the way the Templars were pronouncing it. From Strong's item 4224:
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 5, 2013 3:48:13 GMT
The Crata Repoa is not 'romantic' accounts but were taken from Historians over the last 2000 years or more and, I might add, Masons themselves offer the Crata Repoa and Manly Hall's books for sale on their various websites around the net so, I suggest you open your eyes. As Mackey wrote:
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Post by Theoferrum on Nov 6, 2013 1:26:39 GMT
The substitue lost word of Masonry (MaHaBon) is assuredly the Hebrew Mahabo (Strong's # 4224) which meant Lodging or Shelter - the French Templars could not avoid adding the 'n' ending (bonne = good) and the Scots just spelled it the way the Templars were pronouncing it. From Strong's item 4224: biblesuite.com/hebrew/4224b.htm
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Post by Theoferrum on Nov 6, 2013 1:35:04 GMT
The Crata Repoa is not 'romantic' accounts but were taken from Historians over the last 2000 years or more and, I might add, Masons themselves offer the Crata Repoa and Manly Hall's books for sale on their various websites around the net so, I suggest you open your eyes. As Mackey wrote:"Hall traces much masonic ritual (such as Crata Repoa) and symbolism back to ancient Egypt, specifically to Osirian legends (in which Osiris dies, and is sought after by his son Horus, "the son of the widow" - the widow being Isis) Hall comments on learned Greeks like Plutarch, Plato, and Solon, who were initiated by Egyptian priests into "the brotherhood." Some would argue the origins of such rituals go back much further, to whatever civilization came before Egypt. Hall quotes P. Le Page Renouf: "The difficulty is not in literally translating the text, but in understanding the meaning which lies concealed beneath familiar words. A great part of Egyptian literature is cryptic; its true significance was probably unknown in the Ptolemaic period even to the Egyptians themselves."" www.amazon.com/Freemasonry-Ancient-Egyptians-Interpretation-Initiation/product-reviews/B000N1PFD8/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1
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Post by Theoferrum on Nov 6, 2013 1:40:11 GMT
So, since the connection of Djoser and Osiris to the Narmer's Palette has been called into question, lets look at it a little closer. Osiris is credited with being the first Temple Builder and the first one to use "Secret Rites" in said Temples and yet the oldest Temple Mound in Egypt is right in Nekhen (The City of the Falcon) which (per Mark Lehner, "The Complete Pyramids") was built by Djoser and the old rite used on that mound was the Rite of the Mound of Jemme - this was Horus on his Green referring to the Creation Mound (and possibly the origins for the sign of Gemini the most ancient religion). And, guess where Narmer's Palette was found. Right on that Mound in Nekhen. Now, since I have shown that the Palette is, in fact, an Heraldic Device (among other things being, not only in the shape of a shield but the actual size of a shield at 27 inches high), then it is obvious that Djoser was displaying his own personal Heraldic Crest and, in doing so, served to originate the Masonic Tracing Board as well. Thus the Initiate was a New Creation with the First Degree. Geb's (Earth's) Ancestral Scepter passed to his son Osiris and the Cartouche of Djoser shows a man holding a Scepter tipped with a Head of Lettuce. Geb's name literally means 'piles of earth' referring, once again, to the Creation Mound. Djoser's earlier name was Netjeryket which means God by (in the) Flesh making him one of the gods as was Osiris himself and as his 'ancester' Khasekhemvy claimed to be as the incarnation of Horus. Mount Heredom, supposedly, never existed, yet the name in Hebrew is literally the Red Mountain and this is assuredly referring to the Red Pyramid of Menkaure. Along these lines is the Native American Masonry that is apparently from the same source as the Druids Masonry (Heironimus, "Founding Fathers - Secret Societies) and which records that Red Hand was shot with a poisoned arrow and tortured for the secret of his power and then scalped (kinda like beheaded, huh). Now, the Keystone is famous in Masonry and one reason is that in the Heavens the Keystone is located in the constellation of Hercules. The reason for this is because, before the 23* Pole Shift the Pole Star was the star where Hercules has his knee planted in the ground. Now, that Pole Star position was guarded by a Fox in the Egyptian Dendarah (third image above) and this is significant because, the Egyptian Hieroglyph called the Three Foxes (below) Calls to mind the Sign from Mason of the Three Masters. So, it is not surprising that the Gate to the House of Osiris (which had Seven Pillars) was guarded by three gods - A Doorkeeper, A Watchman and a Herald. The Rubble that he was thrown into would have been the rubble from the wall around the Pyramid that had been destroyed by the tsunami from the Pole Shift. The moster wall at Baalbek was destoyed by a tsunami from the Med Sea which allowed the enemy in and which Gilgamesh took credit for. Speaking of Gilgamesh - this is a compound word with the 'a' linking the two together. Mesh in Sumerrian means Hero and is the exact equivelent of the Egyptian Mesn (our Masons) which means the Masons were Heros because they helped Osiris guard the Tree and helped Horus with his vengeance. There were no vowels originally so Gilg was simply GLG or Gawg = Gog of Ezekial. This was Cain who had a speech impediment concerning certain gutteral sounds which earned him a nickname which stuck making him the original Demagogue and the author of the Epic as its hero. The substitue lost word of Masonry (MaHaBon) is assuredly the Hebrew Mahabo (Strong's # 4224) which meant Lodging or Shelter - the French Templars could not avoid adding the 'n' ending (bonne = good) and the Scots just spelled it the way the Templars were pronouncing it. In the ancient world you take the sandals off before you go to war which is the meaning of the phrase in Job (lose the bands of Orion) and is used in exactly this manner by John the Baptist (not worthy to lose the strings of his sandals) because all Israel was looking for a Conquoring Messiah and this is the exact meaning as on the Palette and, originally, in the Initiation ceremony. The Pot of Water he is holding is referring to washing the hands of bloodguilt and is how it is displayed on the Palette with the Faithful Servant (wearing the signet of Truth around his neck which is Osiris signet) and Narmer being guiltless of the blood that is being shed because the victims were merderers. This is how King David used it cause he didn't want to be guilty of the blood of his men and this is how Pilate used it at the trial and this is still used exactly to this day in the same manner in the Catholic Church where the Alter Boy pours water on the hands of the Priest before they start the Divine Liturgy. The Crata Repoa is not 'romantic' accounts but were taken from Historians over the last 2000 years or more and, I might add, Masons themselves offer the Crata Repoa and Manly Hall's books for sale on their various websites around the net so, I suggest you open your eyes. Finally, Albert Pike, concerning 33* Masonry specifically says that they specifically mislead the initiate (which is not true of York Rite Masonry) so why in the world would anyone want to be a part of that system? I think not!Well, I guess you better think again... "The Blue Degrees are but the portico (porch) of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine that he understands them...their true ecplication (explanation / understanding) is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry." Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma," 30th Degree, p. 189I might add that since Masonry is a God Ordained Institution, the Symbolism used will be consistent with how the Scriptures use the same symbolism - such as the Sandals coming off and the Water Pouring as mentioned above. You won't find this consistency in 33* Masonry as Mr. Pike makes clear however, you will find it in original York Rite Masonry as I have presented in the video above and in this thread.
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