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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 20, 2016 2:09:53 GMT
Literary references
Deuteronomy 4:35 "To you it was shown that you might know that the LORD, He is God; there is no other besides Him.
1 Kings 18:39 When all the people saw it, they fell on their faces; and they said, "The LORD, He is God; the LORD, He is God."
Psalm 95:6 Come, let us worship and bow down, Let us kneel before the LORD our Maker.
Psalm 95:3,6,7 For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods…
Deuteronomy 4:35,39 To you it was showed, that you might know that the LORD he is God; …
Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD your God, he is God, the faithful God…
1 Samuel 17:46,47 This day will the LORD deliver you into my hand; and I will smite …
2 Kings 19:19 Now therefore, O LORD our God, I beseech you, save you us out of his hand…
Jeremiah 10:10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting …
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Post by peter2 on Dec 20, 2016 2:15:57 GMT
I prefer St Paul: For though there are that are called gods, whether in heaven or upon earth, (as there are gods many, and lords many)
With the many lords and many gods, both in heaven and on earth, there are a lot to choose from. Paul goes on:
"But to us there is but one God, the Father"
So is Jehovah ever called Father? I cannot recall that. Who then is the Father?
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 21, 2016 2:46:37 GMT
So is Jehovah ever called Father? I cannot recall that. Who then is the Father? I would say know. Jesus was first a Jew and it was against the law to pronounce the name of God, as far as I understand it. As far as I remember it was always example, 'this is my Fathers house'. I do not remember any reference to J the father. We know from scripture he himself just said 'I am' . Which led me to believe Popeye was God ' I am that I am and that is all that I am, I'm Popeye the sailor man'.
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Post by peter2 on Dec 21, 2016 4:06:45 GMT
When Moses asked for the name of the god the god replied "I am that I am".
This is equally validly translated: I am who I am - or in other words: mind your own business. Still the usual translation is good for the theologians to moralize upon.
For myself I wonder how many gods did Moses meet that he had to ask their names.
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Post by boreades on Dec 21, 2016 23:30:21 GMT
For myself I wonder how many gods did Moses meet that he had to ask their names. Err, I wonder as well. Did Moses audition the gods before he decided which one was the best for his new monotheistic religion?
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Post by peter2 on Dec 22, 2016 3:19:21 GMT
>Did Moses audition the gods before he decided
The gods it seems did not ask humans, they told them - and some of the gods were jealous.
Exodus 20 I am the LORD thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
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Post by abednego on Dec 23, 2016 18:38:51 GMT
The answer will be yes. It is gnostic in the fact that promotes the acquiring of knowledge, but not in Gnosticism as a religion.
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Post by abednego on Dec 23, 2016 18:42:47 GMT
When Moses asked for the name of the god the god replied "I am that I am". This is equally validly translated: I am who I am - or in other words: mind your own business. Still the usual translation is good for the theologians to moralize upon. For myself I wonder how many gods did Moses meet that he had to ask their names. To the Egyptians there was a belief that if they knew there gods name they can control them. So God knowing about that told Moses "I am that I am"
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Post by peter2 on Dec 23, 2016 22:37:21 GMT
... if they knew there gods name they can control them. So God knowing about that told Moses "I am that I am" So how can the creator of the universe be controlled by a human knowing his/her name?
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Post by thereflection on Sept 11, 2018 4:25:09 GMT
> I thought that the New Testament refers to Satan as being the God of this World It does, and it refers to him by various names. Combining the two testaments back then was the very first attempt of making it truly "Catholic" (Universal), which would make it easier to control the masses this way, so they thought. It didn't work, but the word "Catholicism" stood. The second attempt was recent, and it was through Vatican II, where Judaism and Christianity wrongly became one, in turn nullifying the work of Christ by stripping the Jews from their blame and of their guilt. Though, many Catholics hold onto their pre-Vatican II traditions and ideals because man cannot change His truth. Christ, by His own words, ransomed His people by sacrificing Himself, "my life shall be ransom for many", so He was ransoming His people from Jehova, a people which were and are clearly slaves, otherwise there would be no need for ransom. Christ Himself was God the Father, as He explained to Thomas when Thomas asked Him to show him the Father, "Thomas...have I dwelled with you for this long and you still don't know me?". Only God the Father of all can generate that type of redemption from Jehova because He preceded Jehova, as anyone coming after Jehova cannot generate salvation, thus making Christ the Alpha... and Omega. Real Gnostics believe in baptism, faith and salvation. They just viewed this world differently, they viewed it as an illusion, and the body as a trap for the soul (which Christ refers to as Passions of the Body). They were clearly onto something because the study of Quantum Physics tells us exactly that, that what we see as physical matter is actually wave based, and not necessarily tangible, but only through perception and bodily senses. > the God of the Old Testament seems (in a sense) to be a righteous God, but definitely not a compassionate one. No, from A Gnostic perspective, Jehova is referred to them many times as a blind (ignorant) God. The work of Marcion explains Jehova's differences even further... > It seems many people in the West are outright afraid to criticize the God of the Old Testament. Because it is considered to be anti-semetic to do so. Jehova = God of the Jews. It's even tough to consider where Freemasonry stands in today's world, as Egyption symbolism completely defeats the purpose. Christ was at odds with the Pharisee's, and the corrupted Hebrew religion (mishna) which was taken over by Pharaisiasm, not Pharoahism, as the former is believed to be an early form of Freemasonry. - The Reflection
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Post by peter2 on Sept 11, 2018 6:55:15 GMT
>stripping the Jews from their blame and of their guilt. Roman Catholicism, if the same as when I was at school, teaches that man is body and soul. There seems to be however an increasing belief in man as body, soul and spirit and from what I have read this was the primary theological difference between Roman and Eastern Christianity. If this is the case then the spirit in man, being always perfect, never accrues blame or sin, regardless of what the human part does.
It follows that humans do not need saving as the essential part of the human is never contaminated by the earthly experience. It is just a matter of the human accumulating enough experience to recognize his/her true nature.
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Post by blossom on Oct 4, 2018 2:32:46 GMT
This is my understanding also. Being bought up Catholic I was always taught that Jesus was the Son of God (someone special). I was also taught that we were children of God (not so special as we were sinners and had to be afraid of God). That did not make sense to me, even as a kid. However, if Jesus achieved perfection and realised His true nature then one can see why he would be referred to as a Son, and not a child. He became a strong pillar in the Temple and need not go out any more, but He chose to do so. A volunteer What He did we can do also ... I am left wondering if and when I get that choice what I would do. Must be pretty hard to leave the refreshing environment of 'heaven' and go back to labour again...
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Post by peter2 on Oct 4, 2018 3:53:06 GMT
>Must be pretty hard to leave the refreshing environment of 'heaven' and go back to labour again...
Although that seems to happen all the time. Perhaps we agreed long ago to be part of a program and it is too late to back out.
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Post by blossom on Oct 4, 2018 4:29:23 GMT
...or perhaps we didn’t graduate..
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Post by peter2 on Oct 4, 2018 10:30:41 GMT
>perhaps we didn’t graduate
By some accounts most of Earth humans are a laggard class. The others have graduated and moved on.
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Post by blossom on Oct 5, 2018 2:00:26 GMT
When Moses asked for the name of the god the god replied "I am that I am". This is equally validly translated: I am who I am - or in other words: mind your own business. Still the usual translation is good for the theologians to moralize upon. For myself I wonder how many gods did Moses meet that he had to ask their names. To the Egyptians there was a belief that if they knew there gods name they can control them. So God knowing about that told Moses "I am that I am" Interesting post... maybe 'I am' that 'I am' as in As Above, so Below ... ? Controlling by name... "In the beginning was the Word/Logos, and the Word was with God and the Word was God" - name is breath (God breathes = movement of space) which produces light (soul/consciousness?) which produces sound (name). 'I am' that 'I am'. ALL is consciousness and energy. 'Name' might indicate vibrations/frequencies. Vibration and frequencies affect/overpower stuff? (Remember the sound that can shatter glass).
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Post by blossom on Oct 5, 2018 2:02:19 GMT
What does glass have to do with God? God is Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent?!
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Post by peter2 on Oct 5, 2018 3:42:24 GMT
>In the beginning was the Word
In the Hindu tradition the beginning was not a word but a song. Thus the Source sang Creation into existence.
No wonder humans are so keen on singing.
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Post by peter2 on Oct 5, 2018 3:50:01 GMT
>God is Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent?!
That is a theological proposition popular in Christianity. Proof of the proposition is only provided by identifying God with the Source of All. This identification is an act of faith.
Godness is a quality that may be achieved by many that are not omniscient.
Psalm 82: Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
1 Corinthians 8: for even if there are those called gods, whether in heaven, whether upon earth — as there are gods many and lords many — 6yet to us [is] one God, the Father
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Post by boreades on Oct 5, 2018 20:12:31 GMT
>In the beginning was the Word In the Hindu tradition the beginning was not a word but a song. Thus the Source sang Creation into existence. No wonder humans are so keen on singing.
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