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Post by joseph1 on Dec 12, 2016 23:04:01 GMT
Friends,
Looking for Masonic connection or information on ancient Egypt, specifically monotheism as it relates to Akhenaton. Where do I begin?
joseph1
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Post by peter2 on Dec 12, 2016 23:27:42 GMT
Akhenaton/Akhenaten is claimed by some groups as their founder. Certainly that is not claimed in Freemasonry. Traditionally Freemasonry can be traced back to ancient Egypt and Sumer but its founders are not clearly identified. Some look to Isis as the Widow, Freemasons being Sons of the Widow, but this is not official in modern Freemasonry. Equally the founders of Freemasonry may be found in ancient China. Here are the founders of China with Square and Compasses, Sun, Moon and Stars
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Post by peter2 on Dec 12, 2016 23:28:40 GMT
Still the question may be asked: were the founders of Freemasonry actually the originators of the science? Or were they taught?
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Post by joseph1 on Dec 12, 2016 23:39:04 GMT
Interesting. Egyptian deity Thoth was god of wisdom, science and teaching. Related: messenger and involved with resurrection.
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Post by peter2 on Dec 13, 2016 1:25:39 GMT
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Post by joseph1 on Dec 13, 2016 13:02:53 GMT
cool.... I will read through this tonight! Thank you. Joe
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Post by joseph1 on Dec 13, 2016 13:04:42 GMT
Do we think He was taught as well? The teacher spent some time in Egypt - may have picked up some things there especially with his own countrymen - perhaps at the second temple.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 13:37:08 GMT
There is an interesting book I read some time ago that suggests Akhenaton may actually have been Moses.
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Post by joseph1 on Dec 13, 2016 13:46:32 GMT
If you can... please cite the reference. I should like to read it. This is of interest to some of us here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 13:48:52 GMT
The Bible and the Kuran speak of Moses being born in Egypt, brought up in the pharaonic royal palace, and leading the Israelites in their Exodus to Canaan. In historical terms, when did Moses live, and who was the pharaoh of Oppression? Now that archaeologists have been able to uncover the mysteries of ancient history, we need to find answers to these questions. Egyptian born Ahmed Osman, believes that he has been able to find the answers for these questions which bewildered scholars for centuries. He claims that Moses of the Bible is no other than King Akhenaten who ruled Egypt for 17 years in the mid-14th century BC.
During his reign, the Pharaoh Akhenaten was able to abolish the complex pantheon of the ancient Egyptian religion and replace it with a single God, Aten, who had no image or form. Seizing on the striking similarities between the religious vision of Akhenaten and the teachings of Moses, Sigmund Freud was the first to argue that Moses was in fact an Egyptian. Now Ahmed Osman, using recent archaeological discoveries and historical documents, contends that Akhenaten and Moses were one and the same person.
In a stunning retelling of the Exodus story, Osman details the events of Moses/Akhenaten’s life: how he was brought up by Israelite relatives, ruled Egypt for seventeen years, angered many of his subjects by replacing the traditional Egyptian pantheon with worship of Aten, and was forced to abdicate the throne. Retreating to exile in Sinai with his Egyptian and Israelite supporters, he died out of the sight of his followers, presumably at the hands of Seti I, after an unsuccessful attempt to regain his throne.
Osman reveals the Egyptian components in the monotheism preached by Moses as well as his use of Egyptian royal and Egyptian religious expression. He shows that even the Ten Commandments betray the direct influence of Spell 125 in the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Osman’s book, Moses and Akhenaten provides a radical challenge to the long-standing beliefs concerning the origin of Semitic religion and the puzzle of Akhenaten’s deviation from ancient Egyptian tradition. In fact, if Osman’s contentions are right, many major Old Testament figures would be of Egyptian origin.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 14:12:14 GMT
Amenhotep's accession and marriage to Tiye was widely proclaimed by the distribution of commemorative "scarabs" (examples of which have been found at the far extremities of the empire).(6) The names of Tiye and her parents are plainly stated, "the Great King's Wife Tiye: the name of her father is Yuya, and the name of her mother is Tuya."(7)
Tuya had traditional Egyptian features, however her husband Yuya, as his exceptionally well preserved mummy shows, was clearly of mostly Asiatic/Semitic heritage. Asiatics were renowned for their handling of horses, and were highly valued in the Egyptian military during the 18th Dynasty at which time the Egyptians first utilized the chariot in warfare. Yey, a forefather of Yuya, had also held the title of "Commander of the Chariotry."(8)
Yuya, also written as simply Yu,(9) has been associated with the Biblical Patriarch Joseph by Osman.(10) The name Joseph (written as Yuseph in Arabic)(11) is a compound name consisting of Jo or Yu,(12) and Seph.(13) Jo/Yu is the Hebrew root word Yah, the contraction of the full name of Jehovah. Yah is used to form many other common Biblical names, such as Joel (meaning Jehovah is God). Seph is derived from the first part of the Egyptian name (Zaphnath-pa-a-neah)(14) given to Joseph, and can be translated as "sustenance" as the Bible indicates.(15) The 1st Century A.D. historian Josephus quotes from the 3rd Century B.C. history of the Egyptian priest Manetho that in the time of Amenhotep III, Osarseph (literally "Vizier Seph") prohibited the worship of the Egyptian gods.
The description of the Egyptian Vizier Seph, i.e., Joseph in the Book of Genesis is consistent with that of a vizier of 18th Dynasty Egypt, and the titles given to Joseph in the Bible are identical to those of Yuya (Genesis 41:40-45; 45:8; Isaiah 41:8, James 2:23).(16) Yuya's titles (as found in his tomb) included "Master of the Horse," "Overseer of the Cattle of Amun and Min (Lord of Akhmin)," "Deputy of His Majesty in the Chariotry," "Bearer of the Ring of the King of Lower Egypt," "Mouth of the King of Upper Egypt," "The Wise One," "Favorite of the Good God," "Great Prince," "Great of Love," "Unique Friend," "Beloved of the Lord of the Two Lands," "One Made Great by the Lord," "He Whom the King Has Made His Double," and "The Holy Father of the Lord of the Two Lands."(17)
The Bible credits Joseph for a tremendous influx of wealth into Egypt due to his plan to prepare for an extended drought. The seemingly inexhaustible wealth of Egypt at this time was devoted to the extravagant building programs of Amenhotep III. That Yuya was held in very lofty esteem (for whatever reason) is evidenced not only by his titles, but by his marriage to the high ranking Tuya (the Asenath, Genesis 41:45, of the Genesis story and associated with the priesthood of On),(18) and also by his exceedingly privileged burial in a tomb beside those of the 18th Dynasty Pharaohs themselves in the Valley of the Kings. The tomb of Yuya and Tuya was the most undisturbed tomb found in the Valley of the Kings prior to the discovery of the tomb of Tutankhamun.
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Post by peter2 on Dec 13, 2016 21:57:18 GMT
I have read Osman. He writes well but ultimately I suspect that he is not correct. Meanwhile: was the Bible set in Arabia? This account gives a much better geographical match with Biblical place names. www.amazon.com/Bible-Came-Arabia-Kamal-Salibi/dp/0224028308Of course that may only mean that later Jewish editors amended the scrolls to match with where they were living.
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