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Post by 2211 on Mar 24, 2017 12:47:34 GMT
Hello everyone I have been on my path to truth for the last three years ever since being illuminated by EDL. My intuition is guided by heart.
The reason why I am posting is to get a "pulse" from current Masonic members. I realize there aren't many masonic individuals close to my age.
I believe in spirits, natural philosophy, and more. Nature is Beautiful.
In the past there were only three degrees, why was it divided? Was it to emphasize the "symbolism"
How has Freemasonry helped you spiritually? Do you rely on intuition/heart to guide you also?
Have you used the knowledge of ancients to help others heal? Or would that be considered interference?
I do not wish to offend spirits, as these are questions which come to mind each time I think about joining..Are there others like me?
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Post by billmcelligott on Mar 24, 2017 15:24:07 GMT
Hi and Welcome.
Originally there were 2 degrees. Mind you in those days nothing much was written and most was done by teaching without any script, so it is difficult to prove everything.
But as the numbers expanded extra sections were added. Plus later some additional Orders. If your interested there are many websites with various opinions.
I am not a spirit believer unless you mean the Human spirit. Symbolism is nothing new. As far back as you can go there are symbols for many reasons meaning many different things.
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Post by 2211 on Mar 24, 2017 21:18:38 GMT
Thank You for the response I apologize as I should have not used a general label Yes I believe in the human spirit, I believe there are other spirits from other regions The sun for example, the spirits of light which I have felt, some would call them solar orbs.
I understand symbolism to an extent. Currently Book of Thoth ( for those who believe in it) Could such symbolism be talked about openly in a lodge? Or must one progress through the degrees first in order to talk to others on the same level?
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Post by peter2 on Mar 24, 2017 21:55:30 GMT
>In the past there were only three degrees, why was it divided?
This question can be approached from various angles. Normally it is commented that the new and very small Grand Lodge of 1717 had at least one and perhaps two degrees. A few years later it also had the third degree.
If ritual degrees are completely arbitrary it hardly matters how many there are.
In my view the three degrees map on to the inner processes of learning to control the physical desires, the emotional desires and then control the thoughts. This threefold separation seems to me to have profound underpinnings.
>How has Freemasonry helped you spiritually?
This varies a lot across the brethren. For myself, during the ritual I have observed and sometimes participated in flows of spiritual light from various sources. The occurrence of such flows is highly dependent upon the quality of the lodge and the candidate and the state of the local Cosmos.
>Have you used the knowledge of ancients to help others heal?
Freemasonry is not specifically directed to healing of other humans although this may happen progressively. The Freemasons' lodge extends from East to West and North to South and from the center of the Earth to the Heavens. From this you may deduce that a lodge of Freemasons is intended to operate on a planetary scale - but this rarely occurs - and then without focused intent.
>Are there others like me?
Not so many. I suggest that you phone the secretary of each lodge within your area and speak to him to discover the interests of the lodge. Lodges vary a lot.
>the spirits of light which I have felt, some would call them solar orbs
These show up quite commonly in photos. From examining some of those images they seem to be the outer bodies of particular nature spirits.
>Could such symbolism be talked about openly in a lodge?
Depending upon the lodge there may be talks/discussions during the meeting on various topics. The Book of Thoth would be an unusual subject but not impossible - depending of course on the interests of that particular lodge.
>Or must one progress through the degrees first in order to talk to others on the same level?
The degrees are ritual events and in modern Freemasonry they are largely independent of the inner state and knowledge of the brother.
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Post by 2211 on Mar 25, 2017 0:17:18 GMT
Thank You Peter for your time and the answers
I understand the Masonic Brotherhood is actively involved in charities. Would it be a violation of trust to use Masonic knowledge to help an ailing Masonic or Non-Masonic individual? I'm not looking to acquire this knowledge as I believe I already have a crude understanding of it
Location is important, and how it relates to the cosmos. I agree, I believe it's even more important when an individual is born.
I will contact a secretary at a local lodge. I'm assuming this secretary will be just as helpful as this forum has. My studies have brought me to learning about Adonhiramite Masonry. I understand it doesn't exist in its entirety, I believe there is a watered down version within the Royal Arch ( I can't say with confidence) Does this Masonry exist anywhere in the lodges?
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Post by peter2 on Mar 25, 2017 8:46:12 GMT
>I understand the Masonic Brotherhood is actively involved in charities.
It is certainly good to be charitable but I suspect that many lodges substitute charity for the inner work of Freemasonry.
>Would it be a violation of trust to use Masonic knowledge to help an ailing Masonic or Non-Masonic individual?
Most Masonic 3rd degree rituals state that the genuine secrets are lost. It is obvious that the new Grand Lodge of 1717 did not possess them but Freemasonry being a science, it is possible for any human of goodwill, with hard work, to recover at least some of the genuine secrets.
It is then a matter for such a person to decide how to use that knowledge.
>I'm assuming this secretary will be just as helpful as this forum has.
Secretaries vary just as much as lodges. Ring around until you find a secretary with whom you have some rapport.
>My studies have brought me to learning about Adonhiramite Masonry
In my view, from 30 years in Masonry, is that Masonry has come to the end of its current cycle. It may possibly renew itself, but I think it more likely that the mysteries will appear in a new format. So far I have seen little sign of what that may be.
> a watered down version within the Royal Arch
You will have a better chance of comprehending that ritual if you call it Holy Royal Arch.
>Does this Masonry exist anywhere in the lodges?
As far as I know, all larger orders in Freemasonry, around the world, have been declining for decades. This indicates to me that the magnetism of current forms of Freemasonry is being withdrawn. I suspect the ritual is less powerful than decades ago.
Still, if you can find a good lodge, there is much to learn in the remaining time.
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