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Post by peter2 on Mar 10, 2018 3:22:10 GMT
>you haven't looked at any of the ELS codes in English
These days my interests are in experiential activities.
> "There's a man in very old robes trying to talk to you. Says his name is James and he's your father."
You may be aware that British spiritualists in the late 19th century had a lot of trouble with "lying spirits". After some decades they were given a password that would be known by truthful spirits.
I am a bit surprised that this was accepted but I suppose it was the best they had.
No doubt you are aware that the human personality has several parts that survive death. These parts may be used by various entities.
Tony, a fellow I worked with had a 2 year old daughter that I had met. One day he drove her to the house of her grandmother who had died a couple of years before the child was born.
As they got closer the girl seemed to recognize the streets and when they arrived at the house the girl said: What have they done with my curtains?
Tony asked if the girl was the reincarnation of the grandmother. So I had a look. It seemed me that the child had inherited the emotional intelligence from the grandmother's solar plexus chakra.
It is common that chakra entities are passed on in families as they are familiar with the surviving relatives.
Now the emotional structure of a psychologically healthy human includes at least an emotional (astral) energy structure and an indwelling intelligence (normally a nature spirit). After death the indwelling intelligence typically moves on, looking for a suitable connection, while the astral structure is left to decay - like "very old robes"
A passing intelligence (of no great status) may take up the emotional structure as a body of manifestation. (Similarly on mental levels).
This newly housed intelligence may continue to hang around since its astral body is at home there. A psychic may detect the intelligence and recognize the natural connections and the memory and relationship patterning of the astral body but not know to identify the indwelling intelligence.
The process of identification requires the investigator to rise in frequency above the situation and apply tests such as taxonomic comparisons.
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Post by luciicul on Mar 14, 2018 2:24:10 GMT
OK, old robes was just his way of describing what he was wearing as in a time frame, implying very old. I understood what he said, even if not literal. I can't speak for Clay, but it was his description of what he was sensing in my house. If he had said Jacob instead of James I still would have understood. It's too consistent with other things I experience, and memories of before I was born. My birth father's name is Paul. Normally I have some empathic spiritual connection today but I've been a little preoccupied with a recent friend's death. When it does occur my father is blue. He's always blue. It's why I question any dream or empathic envisionment and he's not blue. I have learned if you pay attention to the details of the content you get more information than anything else. Like I have dreams about Judah and other people from the same time period and they have red hair. It's not a metaphor. He really has long curly red hair. There's no metaphor in that.
I do understand what you are saying though. There was a story of a man who's father died in WW2 in a concentration camp. Years later his son is living in the United States and their neighbor had a child that knew all the details of his father and his father's life. The more the man got to know this kid the more he was convinced this kid was his father. Or the kid who was empathic with the architect of the Titanic. Once he named and figured out who and why the empathy with the spirit of the man and what he wanted to convey to other people it went away.
Konstantin Raudive and his peer group also had a code word.
Experiential activities. There's a lot of those in the ELS code in English in real living people now. It needs to be talked about quite a bit. The more people look at those codes the more personal discovery is going to happen. Like the thing with the dog...I didn't say it was a demon but the text does. In comparison all the other things in there I know to be true, at least the one's I've investigated. My friend who just passed away very recently was the only person to look at my painting and immediately know what it was. He's not in the text, someone who had enough involvement in my life to be consistent with everything else you'd think he would be in there, but he's not. His children are however.....That's just an example and I'm OK with it, but other people may not be OK with these questions that come up. The very real people in the text now need to be treated as what they are, living people. There's a opportunity that's unprecedented in history in that we could all talk about it and how it impacts lives and how to better live with it. People living now is very experiential. One of the biggest mistakes people make when they look at it is they base what they are viewing on the math. You'll never get the results of accuracy that way because it's not about math. It's obvious to anyone that the math is how it was put together, but it's not the meaning of the content.
Another meaning of yareh is lady from the water, not just to always be on target. Water also means "of man" and in this relative context, "of Adam". In order to have a full comprehension as opposed to a partial comprehension you have to have one foot on land and one on water. Water also is the right hand, or the hand of justice. It's also like a compass for how the manna in the text functions relative to a naming in the garden. The OT is the water side of the text. The NT is the fire side of the text. The land, or earth, is the everything in the text under the world that was constructed upon it. In order for it to be justice and mercy there also has to be one foot in the sky and one foot in the fire. In English, you walk from the point of justice to mercy, or from the right hand to the left. Which brings me back to Clay's statement, James or Jacob, implying justice. If you are a woman and you are in the text in manna you start with justice. It's telling in DaVinci's Last Supper painting, the two people who are missing in the picture, Luc(Luke) and Judah. Actually the information painted into it about Luc was painted over. That goes back to the fact they didn't like the idea of a woman inheriting, and because it's representative of a raven and a dove, not a dove and a dove. Why they would have such a difficulty with an inheritance they have no control over is silly and an effort in futility. Like a tree on the back of a sea turtle, one foot on land, one on water. The tenerians which is pre-Aegyptian have the same cultural explanation. It's why the burial of a young child on the back of a turtle.
An unprecedented opportunity......
Can I ask what are you afraid of that keeps you from taking a look at the ELS codes in English ? Very safe to chose not to, even if it's just to establish that I or any other person is speaking from truth. I did not treat the things you referenced in that manner. It's not like anyone can change what it says. It is not what it says, but how people respond. I have a personal belief in the idea that if grandpa sends you out snipe hunting impress him and bring one back. It's its own experience.
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Post by peter2 on Mar 14, 2018 5:48:12 GMT
>Can I ask what are you afraid of that keeps you from taking a look at the ELS codes in English ?
I have put a fair amount of time into the Kabbalah and related alphanumeric codes. Leaving aside the quality of the writers, the real problem is the overlighting source. The planet has moved on and so have I.
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Post by luciicul on Mar 14, 2018 19:03:14 GMT
I never imagined I would need to say this but maybe some people do need to experience LB 426 for themselves.
The planet has moved on from the people who are living? That says oobles. That begs the question what intelligence wants to keep you from knowing the Living ? There's no kabbalah in ELS codes in English. They are not even comparable.
Is that the masonic view, the living are expendable if it's not convenient ? You want to explain that to the kids who get care from Shriners, some of whom are also in the text in English ? They will and do become adults.
Luci
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Post by peter2 on Mar 14, 2018 20:49:15 GMT
>The planet has moved on from the people who are living?
No doubt you are aware that the planet is the body of incarnation for the planetary logos. In turn the solar system is the body of incarnation for the solar logos.
The solar logos, about 20 years ago of our time, stepped up in vibration, drawing this planet with it, and the change in cycle is very obvious to local humans.
It is said that humans that do not wish to continue in the new cycle will reincarnate in other systems more suited to their wishes. I have not seen examples of this but it appears the logical process.
Such matters are not addressed in Freemasonry, and indeed Freemasonry must find its way in the new cycle if it wishes to continue in its current form.
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Post by luciicul on Mar 15, 2018 1:24:59 GMT
Hmmmmm.....you mean around this time of the year 2003 to be specific. 27 isn't a solar logos. It's Earth light. 33, five parts of which are purely justice and mercy making it 27. I know that because it's my tree. Not as new as you think. Comes from psalms, the same origin of Adam, or mannam. Not anything new. It's what has been there all along. Are you trying to tell me after thousands of years I'm the only one who knows this ! Somehow I doubt that. Or maybe I should better say that as I'm the only one to see it and know how it was written? It's a lot of things but a Borg colony it is not. That's part of the very thinking that made my father very ill. For instance simple things he did not know, like if you map out the number permutations of 100-999 you get musical scale when you graph it out. Miss that detail and you miss so much. I have to ask this question. If you have a cube block sitting in front of you how do you make it move ? Do you let the Borg tell you how, or do you throw them all out and move it yourself because you are in charge of your faculties ? I can tell you from personal experience if you want to impress Mr Magorium, for metaphorical purposes, don't let the Borg drive the car. That's freedom. That still has nothing to do with ELS in English. It's not "this is the last picture in Klaus' camera." Many mason's went to great lengths to ensure they were intact. I know to some people seeing real documented prophesy can be intimidating because it's not something they can control. For instance, if I were to show to the cardiac surgeon that his choice to do my surgery with the arm graft and on pump instead of off pump, the surgical plan that was changed in the operating room, he might find that disturbing in one respect but in another respect a certain personal elation he did the right thing. Just like the event with the dog. I never said the dog was a demon. The text does. But in comparison to other people's experiences who have had experiences in which there was no doubt, including their dog seeing it there was definitely a demon involved and it's also in the text exactly as they described their experience it begs questions. People who have never collaborated together having very real experiences. There's no frequency in that. Don't let sirens crash your boat on rocks.
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Post by peter2 on Mar 15, 2018 3:17:07 GMT
>Hmmmmm.....you mean around this time of the year 2003 to be specific. Late 1990s is more accurate for the change in the solar logos but I do not keep a diary so do not recall when I saw the change. >Are you trying to tell me after thousands of years I'm the only one who knows this Each of us may choose, or have chosen for us, a particular frame of reference. > real documented prophesy can be intimidating An important Russian mathematician has written 7 large volumes demonstrating the fictional nature of modern history. He claims to prove that the Old Testament was written after the New Testament. This would have made prophecies very easy. His books are well worth reading. Isaac Newton also revised the chronology of standard history. Henry Ford too may have known something about the limited value of conventional history. www.amazon.com/History-Fiction-Science-Chronology-No/dp/2913621058blackbag.gawker.com/is-ancient-history-completely-made-up-by-the-man-1694539419
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Post by luciicul on Mar 16, 2018 17:32:14 GMT
Did they both know they were in the text in English, Newton and Ford ? The flaw in that theory being that the NT is also structured based on Hanukah and either way still written hundreds of years prior to their own births.
I was sitting here thinking how do I find the words to express what I can see as the communication problem here. It came to me this morning. Are you used to thinking of mediumship as being with the dead through the dead ? This is what I found this morning, and to sound a little cheesy, I see them all the time but not through the dead. I make notes of these seemingly little details.
So yesterday the attendant for my mother has a son who was going to turn 6. I kept looking in the toys to see if I had something to contribute. I got drawn to a set of world record cards, but I kept thinking wrong kid. Just found it. Sam Lee, died at 5 from brain cancer and to honor him his parents built the world's largest Lincoln log structure. You know what I picked out after thinking not quite right........... wooden building blocks that are like a cross between Legos and Lincoln logs. My hair's standing up like crazy. His father is a communication professor. That was 6 days ago. That's the difference between being psychic with the living and the dead. The dead live on through the living. Justice for the blind. I cannot see the dead. If I can see them in an awake state they're not dead. They most likely have a connection with the dead. Themis.
Even if the NT was written before the OT it still does not explain the living now in a text previously written. It's an assumption and pure objective opinion if you do not actually look at the actual documentation. Sometimes extreme intelligence can be it's own blindness to the point it's a disability.
The NT is the left hand. If you see it as the right hand that's the "magic mirror of vanity" and creates that illusion of the entire text.
Luci
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Post by peter2 on Mar 16, 2018 20:35:25 GMT
>Are you used to thinking of mediumship as being with the dead through the dead ?
As you may know the intellect is not the most important part of the human, and indeed, from accounts of alleged alien contacts we know that the human intellect is very poor in comparison to some other intelligences.
How then can a human know what or whom to believe?
It seems that most humans choose to believe whatever makes them feel good or superior.
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Post by luciicul on Mar 19, 2018 6:36:06 GMT
Are you sure they are not just people ?
There's nothing superior about this documented ELS code I just found. Goes back to my statement about children who receive Shriner services. While this kid did not to my knowledge receive Shriner care it's still a beautiful thing to be remembered.
Sam Lee could see log tower With Purpose, Acts of the Apostles 11:
Examples of loving kindnesses are also in the documentation. They should be remembered. You cannot have too many of those.
Just look at the documentation. I learn new things about it all the time just talking with real now living people. It's no trick or illusion. I'm just too stupid to know I can't is a part of my vocabulary a lot of the time. I do not think it is intended to unlock the secrets of the universe.
Luci
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Post by peter2 on Mar 19, 2018 8:30:18 GMT
>I do not think it is intended to unlock the secrets of the universe.
Personally I aim high.
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Post by luciicul on Mar 19, 2018 18:32:35 GMT
I tend to also.
Let's see...... it has a political section, the crime section, the sports section, the weather section, the financial section, the religious section, the arts section, puzzles, the science section, the no shortage of opinion section, the funnies, an obituary section, the historical section, the health section, the humanities section........
Sounds a lot like .... hmmm, Superman. Did Lois miss something ? Aim high... which section did you want to read ?
That's just the ELS. That doesn't include the rest of it. It's like an opportunity for all the people in it to get their 60 minutes in the humanities section.
A lot of different types of intelligence. Without a mind, not a brain, you have nothing on any level.
Luci
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Post by peter2 on Mar 19, 2018 20:34:02 GMT
>Without a mind, not a brain, you have nothing on any level.
Do you underestimate the human?
I recall learning folk dancing and using my mind to manage the process. It was a complete failure. The mind could not work fast enough to manage the movements.
It was the physical body that learned the dance.
What other intelligences - both higher and lower - might be part of the human system?
In both the Egyptian and Kabbalistic systems there are 5 souls per average human.
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Post by luciicul on Mar 20, 2018 12:40:57 GMT
Last I checked being human is being born to death, only in corporeal terms. If you can have a conversation with a dead person then that cannot be all there is to being human. Have a conversation with someone who has died. It takes having a mind on their part, not just yours. My father didn't have a conversation with me after he died because he didn't have a mind. His brain was completely gone. The difference between human and non-human is never had a body and never will. Angels never had bodies and never will. If they have a body then they have to possess someone to obtain it. In order to do to that they become demons. If you base being human on just your physical self you are in for a big surprise. It's why it says be the god within you and not be the demon within you, or be ye like gods which is a naming in the garden. All of it takes having a mind. Essentially your body is just a container, not the sum of who you are. Nature is a serial killer that could care less about your existence. It's why we have doctors and we have to be the doctors to care for natural world. It's also why many people feel their bodies are a prison.
I wouldn't put much stock in kabbalistic systems. Just because it says Adam in it doesn't make it so. This is the thing Adam warned me they do not understand and have never understood.
Luci
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Post by peter2 on Mar 20, 2018 20:51:26 GMT
>If you can have a conversation with a dead person then that cannot be all there is to being human As I have indicated, many types of entity are mistaken for dead humans. >My father didn't have a conversation with me after he died because he didn't have a mind. His brain was completely gone. It is useful to distinguish the mind from the brain. There are many examples of humans resuscitated who report what they saw in the room while they had zero electrical activity in their brain >Angels never had bodies and never will. "And the two angels came to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom; and Lot saw them, and rose up to meet them; and he fell down on his face to the earth; 2and he said: ‘Behold now, my lords, turn aside, I pray you, into your servant’s house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your way.’ And they said: ‘Nay; but we will abide in the broad place all night.’ 3And he urged them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat." biblehub.com/jps/genesis/19.htmAs you see, the term angel in the Old Testament refers to physical beings that ate the same food as humans. Indeed other humans wanted to mate with them. Lot refers to the angels as men, and offers his own daughters to local humans to protect the angels from unwelcome sexual attention. There are of course many intelligent species that do not normally manifest dense physical bodies, some of which like to appear as angelic or divine before Earth humans. There are also many species that cannot manifest dense physical bodies that take a close interest in Earth humans - interests that range from the cosmic function of humans down to the exploitation values of humans >Nature is a serial killer that could care less about your existence. The Fellowcraft is instructed to study the hidden mysteries of nature and science, but very few do. Those that do, discover that Nature supports those that manifest Spirit purely. For example read Kinship with all Life. www.amazon.com/Kinship-All-Life-Allen-Boone/dp/0060609125> This is the thing Adam warned me Would you like to tell about this Adam? I assume it is not Adam Kadmon?
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Post by luciicul on Mar 21, 2018 7:59:09 GMT
Are you referring to a God that is supposed to be the creator but needed reasons for his on creations to live ? I have serious questions. Conversely, to be open minded one could look at it in a different way. Passover years ago instead of the traditional action I made a plate of dinner and put it outside. It was symbolic, but there definitely was a response. And don't get me started on a god that requires living sacrifices, of any kind. What you are describing is what Darryl Anka is suggesting in the nicest of abusive ways and he's definitely in the category of you can't help him, he's too gone. Seraphim are warring angels and yes, they don't have bodies and never did. I thought it sounded more like a home invasion. Every part of my being gets extremely hostile if it has to do with Abraham. if you want a walnut tree, that's perfectly within your right, but I'll pass.
Yes, I mean the one and only Adam. If you're looking at the correct tree it's not hard to find. Comes with the same part of the text that lilies comes from, and not it does not say Lilith, it says lilies, or lili repeatedly. Lili can be interpreted many ways but one word architecture translation is 126 126, or if you permutate that once you get earth, earth in a naming process but if you just want to have a perverse view you could say it doesn't have a heart since it's an incomplete naming as Luc and you have to add an I am for it to be a naming of light on earth, then it has a heart. One could interpret those 5 Aegyption descriptions of a soul as being not indifferent to in the sense that Luc, Leuce, Lucy, and Luci, and Lucinda are five since your bethel is contained within your name, and it's Greek, Hebrew and English. Another perversity of the text would be to say that Lilith was woman created from the death of Adam since lili + man is Lilith or 126+126+168 and some butthead decided that women only deserved death. Put that in context that light in architecture is 336, but so is wolf the difference in that being wolf has no part in the naming of light, not in that context. "I send you out as a sheep among wolves," or a thorn amongst lilies. I'd look at the left hand for Adam. Usually he presents himself as seated in a stadium amongst the people which is symbolic, but it's a little like dreaming in that the stadium is symbolic. Goes with the question, would you know him if he was sitting next to you ?
Exactly who decides what is a Spirit purely ? God is something in all people. Nature is something that just is, like an automated program. That's why it's called titans. I'm certainly not telling an entire country of people who has a problem with a chronically debilitating disease from snails in the water that nature is consciously aware and cares about their well being. Self awareness is rising above your nature. People also have the same 50 genes as a banana and without self awareness above your nature no one would have ever known that. Gives a new perspective on apes eating bananas. They don't let it bother them or give it a second thought. In contrast I could say that Luc, which also means cow, or oxen, likes to eat hamburgers. Funny thing, self awareness tells me I know the difference between a symbol and dinner.
I'm kind of baffled as to why you would think I don't know what human means. I'm trying to have a discussion about ELS codes involving the Living people now and I don't understand what human is or means ? I also happen to think people who build tiny houses for the homeless are very human. We could include them, or other examples. Do you know why I called you Schmendrik ? It wasn't to be insulting. It's the magician in The Last Unicorn and in some respects, some I think this forum in has a sign over the front gate that says Casa Del Toro.
Luci
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Post by peter2 on Mar 21, 2018 10:23:13 GMT
> I mean the one and only Adam. There are at least two Adams. One was made from the red earth and the other is the spiritual pattern for the solar system. The Sumerian gods had a lot of difficulty breeding worker humans. The prototype humans could not reproduce and were gestated by goddesses. A later version of the Earth human could successfully reproduce. Here is a brief excerpt: "69-71 Fourth, she fashioned one who could not hold back his urine. Enki looked at the one who could not hold back his urine and bathed him in enchanted water and drove out the namtar demon from his body. 72-74 Fifth, she fashioned a woman who could not give birth." www.mesopotamiangods.com/enki-and-ninmah/It is said that Earth humans are spiritually analogous to Adam Kadmon and this makes a local human incarnation extremely valuable. >One could interpret those 5 Aegyption descriptions of a soul as being not indifferent to in the sense that Luc, Leuce, Lucy, and Luci, and Lucinda are five since your bethel is contained within your name, A study of Egyptian writings might clarify the 5 different levels of existence on which the 5 Egyptian souls exist. >Another perversity of the text would be to say that Lilith was woman created from the death of Adam In the Jewish and Sumerian traditions Lilith was a goddess that seduced suitable human men. There is an account that Lilith abandoned Adam because he would not let her sit on top but I suspect that is a later moralizing. >Exactly who decides what is a Spirit purely ? The human with a soul, being an analogue of the Adam Kadmon is potentially able to control its consciousness and awareness, in a few cases being able to shift it to profound levels. As this skill is developed it is a simple matter to vary the frequency up and down to find a match in the target entity - thereby measuring the frequency range being currently occupied by the entity. The entity may of course vary downwards, in a manner similar to how some human adults deal with young children. There are many types of spirits and it is useful to consider the various species and kingdoms when dealing with them. The term Spirit is better used for the most profound levels of existence. A simple definition is that level of Existence that appears unchanging to the human. Of course as the human develops s/he sees further into Existence so that boundary of the unchanging keeps moving away. >Nature is something that just is, like an automated program. That's why it's called titans You may think that Nature is automated but that is not the daily experience of those that live in and from the forests and jungles. The Titans are very large humanoid gods - titanic. It seems that the humanoid gods do not stop growing - unlike their cousin humans. This means that the oldest most senior god is the tallest - the most high. >I'm kind of baffled as to why you would think I don't know what human means. The human system is comprised of many intelligences of many types. The same intelligences appear right throughout Nature and they are not automatons. Additional intelligences add to or subtract from the human system. Some of these intelligences enable apparently super-human activities such as levitation and healing.
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Post by luciicul on Mar 21, 2018 17:18:54 GMT
Hmmm...... You do know that one of the things the text ELS codes that other masons ensured to be intact is very direct in saying masons lie about code, masons lie about light. Why would one group of masons ensure seeking people know that about other masons ? Normally I would just walk away. The only reason I do not is because it was commissioned by masons in the first place. I find it telling you can give a seemingly direct answer about everything except acknowledging the very real living now. Really, seducer of men. You just said men were seduced by their own vanity. Certain irony in that. Why would I care in that context about up, down, left, right, above, below, diagonal, forwards, backwards, etc in that context ? There is no "lilith" in the text directly relating to Adam. It's a combination of the words Adam and Lily. You have a living person to discuss what it really means that actually knows how to read it, or dead people who had no idea what they were reading. You know, I had spirits call me Inanna too and they could not have been more wrong. Thinking less about penis measuring would have suited them better. I'm thinking at this point we are at about 162+ posts. I'm walking away from the delusional meaning of Adam and not what I know to be true about Adam. Just to reiterate the ELS code is very true and clear. It says Luci is married to Adam and has nothing to do with how most people interpret the meaning of marriage. What's in a name ? Luci
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Post by peter2 on Mar 21, 2018 19:32:40 GMT
>Just to reiterate the ELS code is very true and clear.
People believe what they are told and want to believe.
I like to think of myself as a spiritual scientist: observation, hypothesis, experiment (hopefully using a friend to observe also), deduction and more experiment.
Measurement is critical.
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Post by luciicul on May 29, 2018 12:12:05 GMT
I found this code in the ELS. You can consider it or not.
Gospel of Matthew. 4:20-5:5 demons will not let people talk Luci about code
Are you sure it's your choice ? Talked to a lot of people since all seemingly benign intelligent people and then they just stop with no good reason. The text has what I got for Mother's Day in it. How is that a threat to anyone ?
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