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Post by The Ancient on Oct 6, 2018 17:13:23 GMT
1n 352B.C , Alexandria was established by Alexander The Great. Alchemy would be its chosen belief, quite possibly as an appeasement to the higher circles of the yielding Egyptian culture (such as temple teachings of Thoth) to prevent revolt.
Gnostics was introduced in about 150A.D. by radical Jewish and Arabic clusters. There was no unified doctrinal statement among Gnostic groups. Gnostic groups had no moral sense about rewriting and adapting other faiths sacred writings to fit their ethical motive. Many of their own works were circulated in different versions. Various sects had their own preferred rendition or applied angle. Was this an attempt at a new branch of religion or to infect the ones present? The easiest way to overrun a civilization is to challenge/undermine it's religion. Is this what happened in Alexandria? In my opinion, bashing other religions as a laid claim of intellectual achievement is Gnostics one flaw. Religions are branches of a tree so why would you cut the one from which you hang?
The point of this article is that all religions are derived from a core belief to righteously make it beyond rather its Heaven,Valhalla, Gan Eden Judaism, The Fields Of Aaru, Vaikuntha. From the roots (below) or the branches (above) its time to return to the trunk, back to one God. No matter how your branch or root views this being to be. We all come from one god. If religion won't reach it's core, mankind simply will not be reset. The messiah, al-Masih al-Dajjal, Kalki , Odin etc. is all of our hearts but he is not going to visit each and every one of them on this day. Things have to be in perspective before then. Possibly a temple of God with his words in the morality from every theological virtue. As written in Scriptures the Apocalypse, Evolution, Consequent appearance of seven suns, we all know it is coming. The question is where will your soul be left?
Any opinions?
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Post by peter2 on Oct 6, 2018 20:31:51 GMT
"Gnosis is a feminine Greek noun which means "knowledge".[4] It is often used for personal knowledge compared with intellectual knowledge (εἶδειν eídein),"
Thus the gnostic knew directly some aspects of Reality and therefore did not need beliefs.
Gnostics, by definition, also had no need for priests. The Roman church was not pleased and acted to secure its position by eliminating gnostics.
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Post by gnosticchristian on Oct 6, 2018 20:47:13 GMT
"Gnosis is a feminine Greek noun which means "knowledge".[4] It is often used for personal knowledge compared with intellectual knowledge (εἶδειν eídein)," Thus the gnostic knew directly some aspects of Reality and therefore did not need beliefs. Gnostics, by definition, also had no need for priests. The Roman church was not pleased and acted to secure its position by eliminating gnostics. Indeed. Freedom of religion was not to be tolerated or allowed.
Inquisitions became the order of the day and that would include knowledge as stored in the various libraries.
The church then, as now, wants stupid sheeple and speak out against the more intelligent free thinkers.
Regards DL
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Post by gnosticchristian on Oct 6, 2018 20:55:57 GMT
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Post by gnosticchristian on Oct 6, 2018 21:25:27 GMT
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Post by gnosticchristian on Oct 6, 2018 21:44:35 GMT
1n 352B.C , Alexandria was established by Alexander The Great. Alchemy would be its chosen belief, quite possibly as an appeasement to the higher circles of the yielding Egyptian culture (such as temple teachings of Thoth) to prevent revolt. Gnostics was introduced in about 150A.D. by radical Jewish and Arabic clusters. There was no unified doctrinal statement among Gnostic groups. Gnostic groups had no moral sense about rewriting and adapting other faiths sacred writings to fit their ethical motive. Many of their own works were circulated in different versions. Various sects had their own preferred rendition or applied angle. Was this an attempt at a new branch of religion or to infect the ones present? The easiest way to overrun a civilization is to challenge/undermine it's religion. Is this what happened in Alexandria? In my opinion, bashing other religions as a laid claim of intellectual achievement is Gnostics one flaw. Religions are branches of a tree so why would you cut the one from which you hang? The point of this article is that all religions are derived from a core belief to righteously make it beyond rather its Heaven,Valhalla, Gan Eden Judaism, The Fields Of Aaru, Vaikuntha. From the roots (below) or the branches (above) its time to return to the trunk, back to one God. No matter how your branch or root views this being to be. We all come from one god. If religion won't reach it's core, mankind simply will not be reset. The messiah, al-Masih al-Dajjal, Kalki , Odin etc. is all of our hearts but he is not going to visit each and every one of them on this day. Things have to be in perspective before then. Possibly a temple of God with his words in the morality from every theological virtue. As written in Scriptures the Apocalypse, Evolution, Consequent appearance of seven suns, we all know it is coming. The question is where will your soul be left? Any opinions?
Many false assumptions here.
Gnostic Christians have always had a united doctrine. Free thinking and esoteric ecumenism. Duality and naturalism.
We also definitely have a moral sense that tells us that it is better to rewrite and absorb good moral tenets and not stay in the vile moral doldrums the way Christianity and Islam have done.
What you see as a fatal flaw is only fatal to vile religions like Christianity and Islam. We call out evil and the demiurges by name.
Regards DL
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Post by The Ancient on Oct 6, 2018 22:18:47 GMT
KA, Relax, your very combative, Peter nor myself is not your enemy. I appreciate your response and sources for enlightenment. There is a lot here to consider. There is some disagreement which is natural to identity, more than fine. I am sorry that I have not had much time to survey all that you have written, it would be helpful to me if you could further define origins and influences of. Judeo, Persian, your own etc. for Gnostics has many of them. I would like to be in the right perspective before my own interpretation becomes the isolated source. Forums are not my full time job so the delays in responses should be viewed as just that. If you have the patience, I would like to understand what your conveying.
Also, >Many false assumptions here
Please address them directly, I will correct my option in an arena of ideas.
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Post by peter2 on Oct 6, 2018 23:13:47 GMT
The essential nature of gnosis is that it emerges directly within the human, often without any external instruction.
This means that each gnostic knows those aspects of Reality that press most closely upon them personally. As a result there is a range of knowing within any group of gnostics.
The experience of aspects of Reality occurs through the filter of the personality and culture of the knower. For example a nature spirit may be perceived as mythical fairy or as an electronic resonance depending upon the culture of the perceiver.
Further, the knowingness, in order to be communicated, is generally put into words and images, and these may have different meaning to different people, depending upon culture and inner experiences.
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Post by The Ancient on Oct 7, 2018 19:54:48 GMT
I agree,though KA seems to be oblivious and void of the discipline he follows. Free thinking to far from its core. This approach is why the craft went non-existent for centuries except in Iran. There can only be one conclusion for this, it undermines western civilization, bash and infect as he has plainly demonstrated.
Nobody here was trying to change his mind, yet he avoids answering questions with underdeveloped anger made to misalign the subject. I can only gauge one thing in its sincerity, he is true to his avatar. KAA do not take it personal but, if you cannot simply show where this threads article was disingenuous in your view, do not proclaim to be a free thinker.
Lets try this differently: >Many false assumptions here
>What you see as a fatal flaw is only fatal to vile religions like Christianity and Islam.
I was speaking from all. Supreme views such as this exactly cause what you claim these religions are.
>Naturalism
Again to broad to properly define doctrine.
>tells us that it is better to rewrite and absorb good moral tenets
Each religion has its own moral authority. In a sense, why rewrite the 10 commandments?
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Post by gnosticchristian on Oct 9, 2018 0:12:21 GMT
KA, Relax, your very combative, Peter nor myself is not your enemy. I appreciate your response and sources for enlightenment. There is a lot here to consider. There is some disagreement which is natural to identity, more than fine. I am sorry that I have not had much time to survey all that you have written, it would be helpful to me if you could further define origins and influences of. Judeo, Persian, your own etc. for Gnostics has many of them. I would like to be in the right perspective before my own interpretation becomes the isolated source. Forums are not my full time job so the delays in responses should be viewed as just that. If you have the patience, I would like to understand what your conveying. Also, >Many false assumptions here Please address them directly, I will correct my option in an arena of ideas. I am feisty by nature and conditioning as I am always under attack by those who like to use inquisitions. I am thick skinned and expect the same in all who are in a debate forum.
The closest ideology to mine, although I have modernized it, is the Cathars, but there is a lot of lies out there put out by the inquisitors to try to justify their genocide.
Best to question me about issues. Let me start you off by you asking me who my god is. His name is I am.
Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.
You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.
The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation.
In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that lazy Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.
That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.
Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.
Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded
Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU
The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths.
Regards DL
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Post by gnosticchristian on Oct 9, 2018 0:16:18 GMT
The essential nature of gnosis is that it emerges directly within the human, often without any external instruction. This means that each gnostic knows those aspects of Reality that press most closely upon them personally. As a result there is a range of knowing within any group of gnostics. The experience of aspects of Reality occurs through the filter of the personality and culture of the knower. For example a nature spirit may be perceived as mythical fairy or as an electronic resonance depending upon the culture of the perceiver. Further, the knowingness, in order to be communicated, is generally put into words and images, and these may have different meaning to different people, depending upon culture and inner experiences. Close enough.
We do know that human knowledge and perceptions are what we should live by and not some supernatural absentee god who can never be questioned.
Gnostic Christians, Karaite Jews and Buddhists are all close as they put man above god, as we should, seeing as we have created them all.
Regards DL
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Post by gnosticchristian on Oct 9, 2018 0:20:38 GMT
I agree,though KA seems to be oblivious and void of the discipline he follows. Free thinking to far from its core. This approach is why the craft went non-existent for centuries except in Iran. There can only be one conclusion for this, it undermines western civilization, bash and infect as he has plainly demonstrated. Nobody here was trying to change his mind, yet he avoids answering questions with underdeveloped anger made to misalign the subject. I can only gauge one thing in its sincerity, he is true to his avatar, a misguiding Kaword. KA do not take it personal but, if you cannot simply show where this threads article was disingenuous in your view, do not proclaim to be a free thinker. Lets try this differently: >Many false assumptions here >What you see as a fatal flaw is only fatal to vile religions like Christianity and Islam. I was speaking from all. Supreme views such as this exactly cause what you claim these religions are. >Naturalism Again to broad to properly define doctrine. >tells us that it is better to rewrite and absorb good moral tenets Each religion has its own moral authority. In a sense, why rewrite the 10 commandments? Because the first 4 are unworkable self-centered garbage and put women in with a man's chattel which works in nicely for Christian misogyny.
Regards DL
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Post by The Ancient on Oct 10, 2018 0:03:04 GMT
Your a God,
Alrighty then
I will give you credit for one thing, you have to think big to be big.
I will be well-mannered because I believe you need it. I did not realize you were a man-cub. I considered taking down my posts but decided to leave them up for refection of ascertain.
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Post by gnosticchristian on Oct 15, 2018 18:20:10 GMT
Your a God, Alrighty then I will give you credit for one thing, you have to think big to be big. I will be well-mannered because I believe you need it. I did not realize you were a man-cub. I considered taking down my posts but decided to leave them up for refection of ascertain. I tend not to capitalize god for myself.
Think more of the Jewish Divine council and Jesus asking, have you forgotten that ye are gods?
Most, like you, seem to say no, when you should say yes.
If you are not your god then who is?
Regards DL
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Post by The Ancient on Oct 20, 2018 18:05:51 GMT
>If you are not your god then who is?
In a modernized view, The Father of Mass and Energy.
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Post by gnosticchristian on Oct 27, 2018 15:11:07 GMT
>If you are not your god then who is? In a modernized view, The Father of Mass and Energy. IOW, you are your own moral arbitrator as that descriptor is not that of an advice giving Gods.
That is also the Gnostic Christian view. We just call it god and our name for god is I am, and yes, we mean ourselves.
I have no need to convert you as you already follow the proper ideology.
Regards DL
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