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Post by jet144 on Sept 27, 2019 4:00:40 GMT
I have an interest in the occult, as well as Freemasonry. Something peculiar that I've noticed is that in the olden days, a lot of occultists were Freemasons. For example many of the founding members of the Golden Dawn were Masons, as were the key people who gave birth to what is known today as the OTO (Reuss, John Yarker, Crowley, etc). The guy who founded BOTA was also a Mason. Why is that? It seems like in the past, Freemasonry attracted a lot of occultists and freethinkers. Is it something in the secret (esoteric) stuff of Masonry that attracted occultists to it? But today, the typical Mason is Christian or is afraid of the occult and even goes to great length to make it understood to the public that Freemasonry is not occultish. I recently was given a link to a peculiar self-initiation ceremony which seems to be Masonic, and it seems very occultish, having to do with fallen angels, King Solomon's magical ring and stuff. And a bunch of other weird stuff. Is it okay or acceptable in mainstream or regular Freemasonry these days to be a Mason and be interested in the occult or to even be a Mason and a practicing occultist?
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Post by peter2 on Sept 27, 2019 5:06:53 GMT
> a lot of occultists were Freemasons Quite so. I suspect that they met their own kind in Masonic lodges and then developed their own more esoteric groups. The Golden Dawn, the preliminary tests for Adeptus Minor (approx equivalent to Master Mason) had the candidate visualize the temple with all the officers including their god forms. The instructor would then inspect the visualization for accuracy and completeness. Within a decade it seems that the GD had lost all the Fraters and Sorors capable of inspecting the candidate's visualization. The tide was already going out and it picked up speed. >the typical Mason is Christian or is afraid of the occult Certainly English and Scottish Masonry have a Judaic underpinning with a Christian overlay. This avoided attention by the Holy Inquisition. If you look closely you will see the Judaic underpinning is itself an overlay. This is particularly clear in Holy Royal Arch and in Rosecroix. (Holy Arch is one of the names of the God of Millions of Years. He "lowered kingship to Earth" so is Holy Royal Arch.) >peculiar self-initiation ceremony which seems to be Masonic There are various aspects including AC's version of the OTO, bits of New Testament, unlabeled bits of Osirian/Mithraic ritual, and some Hindu tradition. The most important part is the invoking of the egregor of WSA352. This is the essence of all ritual including spiritualized martial arts. The practice occurs within the aura of an entity. In most situations the entity takes precedence over the words of the ritual. So if you do not know the sponsoring entity it is generally unwise to put yourself under its influence. "WSA352 is an Esoteric Order dedicated to the Presencing the Dark and the Sinister Feminine." So that is one sort of initiation: putting yourself under the influence of some sort of entity. The more important initiation occurs as the human learns to control his/her energies and aligns with the Light as it enters the planet. Such initiates are self-made with inner plane ceremonies to confirm/stabilize the new status of the humanoid. Here is an outline of some of the critical work. a406.proboards.com/thread/973/21-steps-enlightenment> even be a Mason and a practicing occultist? A few are. Some are alchemists too. Most such brethren have learned the value of silence.
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Post by jet144 on Sept 27, 2019 6:03:41 GMT
Thank you Peter! You're very insightful.
I never knew martial arts also invoke egregors?
I'll go check out the link you provided.
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Post by peter2 on Sept 27, 2019 10:31:44 GMT
>I never knew martial arts also invoke egregors?
To put that into a broader context the Angel of Pisces does not let humans leave its influence until they have learned the lessons.
Further, some humans have learned the lessons of Pisces but persist with the spiritual practices of Pisces just from habit formed in past lives. This makes it hard for them to progress spiritually.
Similarly there are ancient spiritual Entities with which some humans are familiar and that leads some to continue the practices sponsored by those Entities. The practies are familiar and produce easy results. For many the practice of martial arts serves to retard their advance into the new cycle.
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Post by jet144 on Sept 27, 2019 14:42:36 GMT
Oh, I never thought about how the Age of Pisces having a spirit/egregore. The coming age of Aquarius too! We end up under the influence of such entities!
I was thinking about maybe joining that wsa352, but since you mentioned it, I should try to better understand their egregore first.
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Post by peter2 on Sept 27, 2019 21:08:22 GMT
>"WSA352 is an Esoteric Order dedicated to the Presencing the Dark and the Sinister Feminine."
Almost all entities are cyclical - alternating light and dark flows - just like breathing.
I would be most wary of any group that stated that it was just light or just dark. Excess of either is unbalanced.
Too much dark energy means that we build our energy body at the cost of all around us.
Too much light energy means that we do not build an adequate energy body. This is common with mothers. They often do not take enough time to nurture themselves.
What then is the purpose of the egregor of WSA352? Does it feed off its humans?
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Post by jet144 on Sept 28, 2019 1:20:35 GMT
Hmm, you're right. I wander what the egregore of the wsa352's purpose is or what it feeds on.
What's the egregore of Freemasonry?
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Post by peter2 on Sept 28, 2019 2:11:17 GMT
>What's the egregore of Freemasonry?
It may not be accurate to think in terms of a single egregor. Arguably genuine variants of Freemasonry are found in ancient China, ancient South America and ancient Australia. And the boomerang of Australia was found in ancient Egypt.
Thus each order arising from the source of Freemasonry, or one of its offshoots, may have a robust (or formerly robust) egregor.
It is better perhaps to ask what is the purpose of Freemasonry and to go from the answer(s) to look for overlighting/underpinning intelligences.
The Entered Apprentice is told that a Freemason's temple extends from East to West, North to South and from the center of the Earth to the Heavens. This is a very large temple and I would argue that the purpose of Freemasonry (and its equivalents) is to teach Earth humanity how to manage that temple.
Mainstream Freemasonry has not attempted this since the early 18th century when there was a strong stream of alchemy and kabbalah present. (Kabbalah operates under an Entity from an earlier cycle so serves only as an entry to Masonic Science. Alchemists have been called "celestial farmers")
Given the overt failure of Earth humans to manage the planetary temple, it is a matter of some satisfaction that school children feel this strongly enough to go on strike. From that movement we may perhaps see the renewal of Freemasonry - but in quite new institutions.
What Entities then wish this planet to be properly managed? Are they shareholders in the impulse that produced Freemasonry?
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Post by jet144 on Sept 29, 2019 5:44:09 GMT
Hmm.. I wonder if "The Great Architect Of The Universe" is the egregore of Freemasonry? Maybe he is the entity who wants the world to be properly managed?
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Post by peter2 on Sept 29, 2019 6:11:53 GMT
> if "The Great Architect Of The Universe" is the egregore of Freemasonry I think that the Being that uses the universe as His/Her body, has a bit more to consider than this small planet. Still, on a couple of occasions, while in lodge, I have noticed a spot of the GAOTU Light far above the temple. As far as I can see the GAOTU has two faces. In this set of universe we see His male face and in another set of universes they see Her female face. There seems to be student exchange between the male and female sets. Some of the exchange students appear to us as avatars. >the entity who wants the world to be properly managed In the Western tradition this is the Lord of the World - also known as Sanat Kumara, the Ancient of Days and Rigden Jyepo. Here is one of Roerich's depictions. The riders have received their instructions and rapidly depart. See how many faces are rising up in the rocks. Who are they? Sanat Kumara operates the planet on behalf of the Silent Watcher (planetary Logos) in a manner somewhat similar to the human personality operating on behalf of the solar angel
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Post by jet144 on Sept 30, 2019 5:39:43 GMT
Interesting! Would there be a way or method of working with Sanat Kumara as far as occult stuff like magic, sorcery, etc goes?
That would be cool if that was possible, because it sounds like a big and powerful egregore!
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Post by peter2 on Sept 30, 2019 6:21:38 GMT
>it sounds like a big and powerful egregore! Usually humans need a quite different perspective of their nature before Sanat Kumara will interact with them. "The Planetary Logos of our earth scheme, one of the Seven Spirits before the throne, took physical incarnation, and, under the form of Sanat Kumara, the Ancient of Days, and the Lord of the World, came down to this dense physical planet and has remained with us ever since. Owing to the extreme purity of His nature, and the fact that He is (from the human standpoint) relatively sinless, and hence incapable of response to aught on the dense physical plane, He was unable to take a dense physical body such as ours, and has to function in His etheric body. ... The decision of the Planetary Logos to take a physical vehicle produced an extraordinary stimulation in the evolutionary process, and by His incarnation, and the methods of force distribution He employed, He brought about in a brief cycle of time what would otherwise have been inconceivably slow. The germ of mind in animal man was stimulated. The fourfold lower man, a. The physical body in its dual capacity, etheric and dense, b. Vitality, life force, or prana, c. The astral or emotional body, d. The incipient germ of mind. was co-ordinated and stimulated, and became a fit receptacle for the coming in of the self-conscious entities, those spiritual triads (the reflection of spiritual will, intuition, or wisdom, and higher mind) who had for long ages been waiting for just such a fitting. The fourth, or human kingdom, came thus into being, and the self-conscious, or rational unit, man, began his career." www.sacred-texts.com/eso/ihas/ihas07.htm
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Post by peter2 on Sept 30, 2019 6:24:31 GMT
"The Rods of Initiation are of four kinds:— 1. Cosmic, used by a cosmic Logos in the initiations of a solar Logos and of the three major Planetary Logoi. 2. Systemic, used by a solar Logos in the initiations of a Planetary Logos. With cosmic initiation we have naught to do; it concerns expansions of realisation beyond even the ken of the highest initiate in our solar system. With systemic initiations we are concerned only in trifling measure, for they are on so vast a scale that the average human mind cannot as yet envisage them. Man appreciates these initiations only in so far as they produce effects in the planetary scheme with which he may be concerned. Particularly is this so should the scheme in which he plays his microscopic part be the centre in the Logoic body receiving stimulation. When that is the case, the initiation of his own Planetary Logos takes place, and consequently he (as a cellular body) receives an added stimulation along with the other sons of men. 3. Planetary, used by a Planetary Logos for initiatory purposes, and for the third, fourth, and fifth major initiations, with the two higher. At the planetary initiation the Rod of Power, wielded by the solar Logos, is charged with pure electrical force from Sirius, and was received by our Logos during the secondary period of creation, from the hands of that great Entity Who is the presiding Lord of the Lords of Karma. He is the repository of the law during manifestation, and He it is Who is the representative in the solar system of that greater Brotherhood on Sirius Whose Lodges are found functioning as the occult Hierarchies in the different planets. Again, He it is Who, with the solar Logos to assist Him, invests the various Initiators with power, gives to Them that word in secret which enables Them to draw down the pure electric force with which Their rods of office must be charged, and commits to Their keeping the peculiar secret of Their particular planetary scheme. 4. Hierarchical, used by an occult Hierarchy for minor initiations, and for the first two initiations of manas by the Bodhisattva. When man individualised in Lemurian days, it was through the application of the Rod of Initiation to the Logos of our earth chain, which touched into activity certain centres in His body, with their corresponding groups. This application produced literally the awakening of the life to intelligent work on the mental plane. Animal man was conscious on the physical and on the astral planes. By the stimulation effected by the electric rod this animal man awoke to consciousness on the mental. Thus the three bodies were co-ordinated, and the Thinker enabled to function in them." www.sacred-texts.com/eso/ihas/ihas16.htm
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Post by peter2 on Oct 1, 2019 7:46:09 GMT
>used by a cosmic Logos in the initiations of a solar Logos
In my perception this happened to our Solar Logos (that uses the solar system as his body of incarnation) about 1995 in our timeline. This had an immediate impact on the Earth and I suspect that most humans born after 1995 have a much clearer sense of their obligation to this planet.
Quite a lot of those born since 1995 have been engaging in school strikes. What will they vote for in a few years? Politicians do not seem to care, but they will soon.
One of the things they will vote for will be the legal concept of Crimes Against the Planet. Won't that be fun!
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Post by jet144 on Oct 1, 2019 17:37:35 GMT
Thank you Peter! You're very knowledgeable with Esoterica. I have a lot of learn and think about.
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Post by easternstar on Nov 10, 2019 3:42:42 GMT
Freemasonry is essentially the study of the occult, or at least it should be. It certainly is at the level of the super rich or the so-called elites. Talking to modern masons makes me think they dont understand Freemasonry and have not read the literature. I recently spoke to a highly-educated professional who is a 32nd degree Freemasonry, and he was unfamiliar with basic concepts like the two pillars/columns and the term "Widow's Sons". Also, if you read the works of occultists, they often talk about Freemasonic topics, like the symbolic meaning of "Solomon's Temple". This is not an accident.
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Post by Lux/Nūr on Sept 15, 2020 8:52:48 GMT
I have an interest in the occult, as well as Freemasonry. Something peculiar that I've noticed is that in the olden days, a lot of occultists were Freemasons. For example many of the founding members of the Golden Dawn were Masons, as were the key people who gave birth to what is known today as the OTO (Reuss, John Yarker, Crowley, etc). The guy who founded BOTA was also a Mason. Why is that? It seems like in the past, Freemasonry attracted a lot of occultists and freethinkers. Is it something in the secret (esoteric) stuff of Masonry that attracted occultists to it? But today, the typical Mason is Christian or is afraid of the occult and even goes to great length to make it understood to the public that Freemasonry is not occultish. I recently was given a link to a peculiar self-initiation ceremony which seems to be Masonic, and it seems very occultish, having to do with fallen angels, King Solomon's magical ring and stuff. And a bunch of other weird stuff. Is it okay or acceptable in mainstream or regular Freemasonry these days to be a Mason and be interested in the occult or to even be a Mason and a practicing occultist? Basically many Masons have/are Occultists but most Occultists aren't Masons. There is natural crossover, but it's nowhere near, even in their wildest imaginations, how much conspiratards think it is.
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Post by Lux/Nūr on Jun 10, 2021 10:44:14 GMT
In various rites of Masonry there is a lot of Rosicrucian influence, it goes without saying. But that doesn't make Masons, even ones from such rites (like the Scots) defacto Rosicrucians.
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Post by Lux/Nūr on Jun 10, 2021 10:46:20 GMT
Hmm.. I wonder if "The Great Architect Of The Universe" is the egregore of Freemasonry? Maybe he is the entity who wants the world to be properly managed? No, it's just a long name for the generic concept of "God". All Masons are either Theists (whether Abrahamic, dualistic, polytheistic even, monist) or Deists of some kind.
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