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Post by The Ancient on Jan 24, 2020 14:29:46 GMT
Roman influence? The problem I see with Christianity in the Middle East is the Roman infiltration into Christianity. Rome capitalized on their crucifixion of Christ and then adopted the backlash (because paganism was lost) to build the Vatican and install a Pope to seize control of Christianity. If the Templar was recognized and declared to be an army of God (1139) by the Byzantine Empire (Eastern), the Holy wars would have never began. Roman (Western) influence set the Middle East into two thousand years of conflict not to mention the burning of Jacques de Molay, the crucifixion of Christ and the killing of most of the twelve chief disciples of Jesus Christ which Rome is all responsible for. The Qur'an recognizes Jesus Christ as a prophet. The Holy Land belongs to Judaism, Christianity and Mohamed because it is a Holy Land where all were born. Cyrus the Great would have never allowed religions to clash, he accepted and respected them all. In my opinion, Byzantine and Islam's problem is with Rome, Roman conquest and the Roman infiltration into Christianity, everything else trickles down from there. November 333 BC. The invading troops led by Alexander the Great defeated the army personally led by Darius III. The infighting after Alexanders death cleared the way for Rome's rise. Alexander and his exploits were admired by many Romans who wanted to associate themselves with his achievements. 33 A.D. Rome paraded and crucified Jesus Christ. A Roman necropolis stood on Vatican Hill in pagan times. When a great fire leveled much of Rome in A.D. 64, Emperor Nero, seeking to shift blame from himself, accused the Christians of starting the blaze. He executed them by burning them at the stake, tearing them apart with wild beasts and crucifying them. Among those crucified was St. Peter—disciple of Jesus Christ, leader of the Apostles and the first bishop of Rome—who was supposedly buried in a shallow grave on Vatican Hill. Ironically, Rome later built the Vatican at the scene of the crime. Rome could not stomp out the prophecy of Christ and decided to control it harnessing Christ's power. This is the point in history that began the two thousand years of unrest. In 70 A.D. Roman soldiers destroyed the 2nd temple. Constantine I (324–337) reorganised the empire and made Constantinople the new capital In 326 the first church, Constantine's basilica, was built over the supposed site of the tomb of Saint Peter, and from then on the area started to become more populated. The East–West Schism, also called the Great Schism and the Schism of 1054, was the break of communion between what are now the Roman Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox Churches. Once again Rome changed Christianity beyond what Eastern Orthodox could tolerate. Note: the crusades began in 1099. In 1118 The Templar founded a Catholic military order because they were needed only for the 2nd crusades. The Pope declared a papal bull Omne datum optimum reconsigning the Templar in 1139. Furthering my opinion, it was Rome's Holy quest to start wars to secure land once held by Alexander the Great. Christianity did not start the crusades, Rome did. King Philip IV on 1307 Friday the 13th, members of the Templar order in France were arrested, tortured into giving false confessions, and burned at the stake, the Pope turned his back. He even left the city of Rome altogether in 1309 when the papal court moved to Avignon, France, after King Philip IV arranged for a French cardinal to be elected Pope, go figure. I am sure the Vatican still has those confiscated relics of the period on display in their vault. In essence, France got out of debt and the Pope took full control of Christianity. In my opinion, Rome never really collapsed, it just restructure itself into Roman Catholics with its remnants the problem in the Middle East and to the ancient followers of Christ to this day.
In view of my opinion in the aforementioned, I would suggest that the Byzantine recognized the Templar as Gods soldiers and reset the order of the world as it should have been two thousand years ago There was so many lives lost for no reason.
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Post by peter2 on Jan 24, 2020 21:45:47 GMT
Many years ago I was in Rome and noticed that some of the ancient buildings looked in rather good condition for their reputed age. More recently I have read evidence that much of European history has very questionable datings - perhaps being 1000 years newer than the official histories. There is a long tradition of important scholars disagreeing with the Scaligerian chronology used by most historians. ajendu.blogspot.com/2014/11/scaligerian-chronology.html
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Post by The Ancient on Jan 25, 2020 6:52:24 GMT
While modern marine concrete structures crumble within decades, 2,000-year-old Roman piers and breakwaters endure to this day, and are stronger now than when they were first constructed. The combination of ash, water, and quicklime produces what is called a pozzolanic reaction. As of the dates listed above 33 A.D. and 70 A.D. would never come into dispute although I agree, history is twisted to blind and enhances mankind. I seem to getting worn-out with mankind’s infliction especially the Middle East.. I've missed the engagement, thanks for the reply. I have come to appreciate your spirit of light.
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Post by peter2 on Jan 25, 2020 20:39:44 GMT
> I seem to getting worn-out with mankind’s infliction especially the Middle East Warfare on this planet is not strictly an Earth affair. It seems to me that in the Middle East and in South Africa the Spirit of Mars has been recruiting followers, and that in Europe various ethnic cleansing efforts over the centuries result from recruitment by the Spirit of Saturn. The Shaver writings also reveal a degree of warfare between surface and interior inhabitants of the planet. I have some inner experiences that relate.
sacred-texts.com/ufo/irl/index.htm
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Post by The Ancient on Jan 27, 2020 4:51:51 GMT
Good thought, I still prefer to address it from below to above, I am ordered that way.
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Post by peter2 on Jan 27, 2020 5:31:31 GMT
>from below to above
I suppose it depends upon one's origin
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Post by The Ancient on Jan 29, 2020 2:09:12 GMT
My word derived from light.
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Post by The Ancient on Jan 29, 2020 2:16:47 GMT
This is a continuation from the beginning post, I am going to write this as fiction because the parallels interwoven within deserve further consideration. The Americas, the American Revolutionary War began with an as-semblance of Free Masons which is not surprising because they had organizational skills to assemble and to keep content in secrecy. Well, through this conductivity they won the war and Washington, with some of the founding fathers, such as Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson (also Masons) began to frame the Constitution, and design Washington D.C. from their known secret knowledge of the past. You can see where this would become bothersome to the Vatican, considering its past relationship with the Templar and the Templars history with the Free Masons. When did the Illuminati become constituted? This date will be held until the end of this article. The Illuminati, the word itself being Italian, and being that Rome is in Italy, nothing happens there without the Popes direction. It is logical to assume the Popes Illuminati would insert themselves into Masonry and get involved to cause disruption to any Free Masonry and Templar unity. Full unity of the Free Masons and Templar threatens the core of the Vatican, and that is exactly why there were claims and spread rumors of Satanism toward each sect. I would suggest that the Illuminati constitute are Templar replacements and follow the old Roman order. The date the Illuminati was established (if you haven’t guessed) in 1776, after the Vatican had an idea of the signers, the aforementioned founding fathers above and listed below were Free Masons. Additionally, some say the Illuminati was there to enrich Free Masonry, I view it otherwise. This is all I am really going to comment on the concern, it is just the foundation upon how everything is cast that I care about. Jul 4, 1776 Declaration of Independence signed by Free Masons William Ellery Rhode Island Aug. 2, 1776? First Lodge of Boston, 1748. Benjamin Franklin Pennsylvania Aug. 2, 1776? Grand Master of Pennsylvania, 1734. John Hancock Massachusetts July 4, 1776 & Aug 2, 1776 became a Mason in Merchants Lodge No. 277 in Quebec, affiliated with Saint Andrew's Lodge in Boston 1762. Joseph Hewes or Howes North Carolina Aug 2, 1776? Unanimity Lodge No. 7, visited in 1776, and buried with Masonic funeral honors. William Hooper North Carolina Aug 2, 1776? Member of Hanover Lodge in Masonborough, N.C. Robert Treat Paine Massachusetts Aug 2, 1776? Attended Massachusetts Grand Lodge in 1759. Richard Stockton New Jersey Aug 2, 1776? Charter Master of St. John's Lodge in Princeton NJ 1765. George Walton Georgia Aug 2, 1776? Solomon's Lodge No. 1, in Savannah GA. William Whipple New Hampshire Aug 2, 1776? St. John's Lodge, Portsmouth NH 1752. Other Revolutionary Masons John Paul Jones, James Monroe, Lewis Meriwether, William Clark and Paul Revere, one of the first York Rite Freemasons. If you missing the point of this article, the only thing that would impede with Rome is a fortification of Templar and Freemasons in their own country. I would be curious on other time-line observations
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Post by The Ancient on Jan 29, 2020 2:17:06 GMT
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Post by peter2 on Jan 29, 2020 2:54:46 GMT
>Illuminati was established (if you haven’t guessed) in 1776 The difficulty is that there is no copyright or patent on the name Illuminati I used to disregard the Illuminati on the basis of the usual Italian Freemasonry context. Freemasonry of course is vastly older and if there has been long term opposition to the objective of Freemasonry (goodwill management of the temple that extends from E to W etc) then what is these days called the Illuminati must be much older too. As we know there are legends from the earliest human times, all around the planet, of gods that came from the heavens, often with flying craft e.g. I bore you on eagle's wings Exodus 19:4 And we have ancient legends of wars between the gods - war in the heavens. Arguably that war is reaching a crescendo at present with strange sounds across the planet - www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSKcyBCAR-4So, if the gods have used humans to propagate their agendas - e.g. Old Testament wars - are the gods still using organizing humans in the same way/war?
If they are then there ought to be signs in the alien contactee literature. And there are many such accounts of adverse groups of aliens (and breakaway civilizations) that do seek to organize some humans to propagate agenda that are adverse to the spiritual unfoldment of Earth humans
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Post by offramp on Jan 29, 2020 20:06:49 GMT
>Illuminati was established (if you haven’t guessed) in 1776 The Bavarian Illuminati was founded in 1776 (but they were finished by 1785).
However, the Illuminati of Avignon may have been founded as early as 1770 and survived right up to 1800.
Both these Lodges are long gone. Anyone who thinks there is a trace of them left nowadays is seriously deluded. Their influence on history has been very small.
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Post by The Ancient on Feb 1, 2020 4:29:05 GMT
Offramp, we haven’t seen on the same sides of never ever. You are blind in this instance, the new world order is Roman conquest. I am Eastern in ways. If you can not see 2 thousand years of conflict because of Mankind's greed, by all means bow Roman West, I will regard the Byzantine East.
In the same regards, let see if you are a Mason in light. Challenge my time-line, my guess is you cannot. So what I am asking, are you a man or a mouse that squeaks? Sorry, I wield light as fluent as dark, people/entities need to be treated in the way they earn. offramp, this is your debut, lets see your intellect, by the way, Jerome "Curly" Howard is by far the better stooge as opposed to Joe Besser, hands down.
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Post by The Ancient on Feb 1, 2020 5:02:56 GMT
peter2,
Your comment needs a little more time to digest because, I am not so sure people are not so willing to grasp the outside influence yet.
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Post by peter2 on Feb 1, 2020 5:51:30 GMT
> I am not so sure people are not so willing to grasp the outside influence yet. Quite so, and yet there is it is in full sight: whence comes the Widow from which Freemasonry descends? Here is one picture of her with compasses, sun, moon and stars - knee to knee and hand over back - with possible 18th degree signs
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Post by offramp on Feb 1, 2020 17:14:23 GMT
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Post by The Ancient on Feb 1, 2020 18:46:40 GMT
Offramp, these are Percy Bysshe Shelley thoughts, do you not havith any of thy own? Also, I haven’t been here in awhile, what have you done to the shout box? Please clean it up...
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Post by The Ancient on Feb 1, 2020 18:53:28 GMT
Peter2, Just want to spend a little more time thinking before responding. Also peter2, the link you left www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSKcyBCAR-4 is no longer available. Could you provide another reference? I want to make sure I have the right understanding to its paragraph.
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Post by peter2 on Feb 2, 2020 4:41:32 GMT
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Post by The Ancient on Feb 2, 2020 13:59:14 GMT
>the basis of the usual Italian Freemasonry context
>>This content is not so usual, cheap shots have always been inserted by the Vatican but, in 1776 the emergence within a Freemason nation needed to be addressed. Yes, yet another form of dualism.
>often with flying craft
>>The atmosphere was different then and notice, if you wanted to take full advantage of the earths magnetic field it would be about 20 degrees above and below the equator (from Coral Castle to Easter Island). You raise an interesting fact, if this was other technology as found in history there would be a couple of more thoughts that would have to be establish. I will propose one at the end of this response. The best way I have found to communicate is by virtue of a time-line, is there an integration time-line of sorts? Including catastrophic events. I know the concept of time, here it has substance.
>Old Testament wars
>> In 367 A.D The New Testament during Romes emergence, unfortunate, I believe they used it the other way around. Using God or Jesus in the same old ways/war.
>sounds across the planet
>>Are you sure that’s not the trumpets?
>If they are then there ought to be signs in the alien contactee literature
>>There is something to conciser, what if mankind wiped out his guidance in the same manner of Hiram Abiff ? Mankind has always destroyed his past for his own supreme future. For that not to happen again the planet would have to reach a united in a shared energy. Mankind's conquest intelligence today is as strong as it was back then.
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Post by peter2 on Feb 2, 2020 22:04:29 GMT
>yet another form of dualism The meaning of this is not clear to me >is there an integration time-line of sorts? Including catastrophic events There are various cycles that interact but only some of them have been published www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/understanding-cycles/discovering-cycles/Parallel time lines is another factor - used to make more efficient the experiential process of The Source of All >Are you sure that’s not the trumpets? Humans are encouraged to believe things that make them easy to manage. Reality is however more complex. >Mankind's conquest intelligence today is as strong as it was back then Humans see physically in a very narrow spectrum - and their belief systems tend to be either materialistic or child-like trust in heaven worlds. Earth humans are very easily manipulated individually and as a species. Fortunately the concept and practice of fake news is encouraging deeper thought
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