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Post by ingo on Nov 11, 2004 13:13:06 GMT
Whistler, you wrote: "Comasons are lodges of Freemasons for whom Gender is not an issue - Men and Women particpate all aspects without and gender issue "
: That's right!
Whistler: Most Co-freemason lodges work variations of the Scottish Rite.
: I agree!
Whistler: Our attitude to Male only Lodges are very simple. Any Genuine Male Lodge members who can be proven are welcome - Many do visit
: This is correct and quite the same in Germany. We recieve a lot of guests from every possible Grand Lodge.
Whistler: We accept we are not permitted to visit a Male only Lodge, and if we are not invited we certainly would not wish to visit.
: Hm, hm, I do accept but I do not agree! But I know male-only lodges in Germany who invite me and where I attended lodge meetings in full co-masonic regalia.
Whistler: We find it sad that Genuine Male Lodge visitors to our lodges do so without the Blessing of their Mother Lodge.
: Well this just shows that becoming an officer of the Grand Lodge does not mean that masonic manners approve also.
Whistler: From my observation those who do visit our lodge do not want to leave their Mother Lodge but find visiting us a pleasant part of their Masonic life.
: That's right. And I agree!
Whistler: To see the pride in the eyes of a Male Mason, visiting our lodge when he sees his daughter being raised to MM is a treat.
: Well, this never happened to me. But I would feel the same when my little daughter should be initiated in about 15-20 years....
Whistler: To come home after a good ceremony and discuss it in depth with my wife over a coffee is a great way of winding down.
: Oh yes! My wife brought me to masonry!
Whistler: We both find learning work together a great help, in our Masonic life and the recycling officers that happens now days, we have both been in positions superior to each other at times - Never a problem because with Masonry we are both Masons.
: I also agree. My wife was WM and myself SW. Now she is master of the Music and I am WM.
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Nov 11, 2004 21:52:33 GMT
Ingo, It's great to see you came to freemasonry through your spouse. My wife joined shortly after marrying me, and by good fortune I was in the chair at the time. We joked about my being her Master, but all in good fun as neither she nor I would wish to belong to any group other than completely equal. I look forward to the time that she too will take the Chair. Will she then be my Mistress!!
HGW, Hubert
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Post by leonardo on Nov 11, 2004 22:13:03 GMT
It's refreshing to note that here on this particular forum it is possible for masons, regardless of their gender, can enter into open debate freely without the usual, how shall I say it without without causing offense, less enlightened individual putting their oar in.
Before learning about those involved Co. Freemsonry I though, or was led to believe, they were, well, sort of evil and not "real" masons at all. Glad to learn that this is not the case.
One shame is, and I hope I'm wrong on this, or that if I'm right it will change someday, is that Co.Masons are not alowed to attend "regular" lodges.
I mearly hinted on another forum, you know the one, that my wife was interested in freemasonry and the amount of emails I received advising me not to go on about this was staggering!
I'm not saying that I want to join a co.mason lodge, but at least I now have a deeper understanding of what they're about. And that they do not eat babies!
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Post by whistler on Nov 12, 2004 0:04:18 GMT
I mearly hinted on another forum, you know the one, that my wife was interested in freemasonry and the amount of emails I received advising me not to go on about this was staggering! ! leo if can understand that Co-freemasonry is not as "Social as your Flavour - If you think the ritual working you do in your Lodge would appeal to your wife, and the other Masonic values - show her the Co-masonic web pages and if she thinks it would be for her, I can't see her becoming a comason could possibly effect your UGLE status
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Nov 12, 2004 2:41:09 GMT
Leonardo, I'm staggard to hear that "REAL" masons considered Women masonry and mixted masonry both evil and "baby eaters".
I thougt only cowans put about such rubbish as "goat riding".etc.
We do all that the "male craft" performs and in similar manner. In fact most male craft visitors to our Christchurch Lodge have stressed their amazement at how well we, especially the women, carry out ceremonial, and in fact would like us to demonstrate such to their colleagues.
Personally I am prepared to wait for sence to prevail for the inevitable joining of all our orders. In this day of so many other interests, only the committed ritualists will be attracted to the Craft, so we must combine for the sake of continuing the ancient traditions.
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Post by staffs on Nov 12, 2004 6:36:51 GMT
Hubert i disagree what you say that only the committed ritualist will join the craft. Totally wrong in my opinion as in craft lodges there are many who joined for totally other reasons and hate ritual.They may be good at adminstrational duties and good in another field of helping the lodge.A lodge could not run with good ritualists alone.We need all those people who help behind the scenes. Remember when conjoined stability Also we conjoin to make a TEAM Together Everybody Achieves More
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Nov 12, 2004 7:17:07 GMT
Point taken Staffs. I was merely commenting on my own observations, that in CoMasonry we only seem to get spiritual inquires. Most members can't be bothered with secretarial, financial or such onerous tasks. The work ethic in "God's Own" is so chaotic now that all employers demand more than their pound of flesh! There are far more self employed than ever before and we all have to work longer and harder to keep our heads above water. It's no wonder we difficulty attracting new candidates.
I agree we all need to work as a team,and see great potential if only we could all join together.
Cheers, hubert.
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Post by whistler on Nov 12, 2004 9:45:07 GMT
It is great to be a Freemason and Post to this forum, it means you can disagree in harmony.. Hubert I disagree with your comments re spiritual inquiries.. We could get into a debate that goes far beyond , Freemasonry, and this is not the forum to do so. For a lot of us it is just a continuation of our souls journey. Re the self employed NZ has always been a nation of self employed, ever since our pioneer parents arrived in the 1800's there has been a large number of self employed people. HGW Hubert ;D
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Post by ingo on Nov 12, 2004 10:27:57 GMT
Leonardo, you wrote: "it will change someday, is that Co.Masons are not alowed to attend "regular" lodges." Ingo: Well this depends on a lot of factors and tendencies in society and masonry. It depends mostly on radical changes in society. See: The french revolution took place because masons debated about changes in political poit of views. from 578 member of the french national assembly in 1789 were about 477 freemasons! But the bastille-day and the great killing started, when masons lost the ears of the people. Masons were killed on the guillotine and the GOdF declined from more than 1.000 lodges to less than 10 in 1793!!! The masons left had better things to do than to discuss regularity. In fact the GL of France dissapeared and the GOdF reunited every still existing lodge in France. Maybe, if english society puts more supression on masonry, maybe than male-only UGLoE will try to find and form a "coalition of the willing" And then, maybe co-masons will officually be allowed to enter male-only lodges also.
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Post by leonardo on Nov 12, 2004 15:03:55 GMT
Ingo,
A lot of what you mention is in the book Talisman by Graham Hanc o c k and Robert Boval. I recommend it to those who have an interest. I may do a review on this in the proper thread.
Hubert, The word evil is a bit harsh, but I do have the emails to support this. However, I will not be mentioning names. It was expressed to me that for some Co. Masonry is not appreciated by everyone and concidered "evil" by others. I do not, nor did I ever believe this to be the case. As for the baby thing, that was me trying to make a point. Sorry if I caused offense.
Whistler, as of yet I am not a freemason. In my heart I am, but sadly circumstances have interviened to put my journey on hold. Things will be resolved but I have no wish to go into details right now, but sufice to say I am not a happy bunny.
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Post by ingo on Nov 12, 2004 15:57:00 GMT
Leomhardo, you wrote: "Ingo, A lot of what you mention is in the book Talisman by Graham Hanc o c k and Robert Boval. I recommend it to those who have an interest. I may do a review on this in the proper thread." Ingo: OH yes, I would be interested in your review. I do not know the book yet.
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Post by leonardo on Nov 12, 2004 22:41:12 GMT
Ingo,
Thank you for your interest in the book. The review will be in a day or so. In the mean time it is discussed at some lenght on the tfm forum. Check it out.
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Post by Yoki on Nov 15, 2004 3:37:09 GMT
I don't know if Co Masonry only gets spiritual inquires I haven't been a member long enough to comment, but what I would say is that Co Masonry is best suited to people with this out look and a open mind concerning esoteric subjects. Any one joining for social reasons alone would flounder and I imagine leave. I don't consider myself a committed ritualist, one of my reason for joining was to fill this gap in my spiritual education .So Co masonry offers the ritualist a home and the learner a school. As to Co Masons being evil and "baby eaters", there are always those who would throw dispersions on Masonry and Co Masonry alike,all we can do is live our ideals and thus prove them wrong.
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Post by whistler on Nov 15, 2004 4:36:02 GMT
Yoki, The only babies this Co-mason likes to eat are Jelly Babies, I like the Black ones and I always look for the Boy Jelly Babies cause you get a bit more.
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Post by leonardo on Nov 16, 2004 9:31:28 GMT
Jelly babies. I onced live on these "sweets" my wife still loves them. May I just point out that the whole baby thing on my part, though a tad overboard, was meant to be humourous
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Post by ruffashlar on Nov 19, 2004 5:39:06 GMT
I love children - but I couldn't eat a whole one.
Signed,
The Baby-Eating Bishop of Bath and Wells
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Post by leonardo on Nov 19, 2004 8:57:25 GMT
Ruff. I think you should come with a health warning. Have you any idea how many people die from laughing? ;D
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Post by ingo on Nov 19, 2004 10:18:25 GMT
Leonhardo, you wrote: "you know the one, that my wife was interested in freemasonry and the amount of emails I received advising me not to go on about this was staggering!" Ingo: What did you or your wife do finally? In which country/region did you look for co-masonic lodges? Did she stop her search? Wasn't it Ireland? I thought we emailed about that in the other forum once...
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Post by ingo on Nov 19, 2004 10:24:29 GMT
Yoki, you wrote: "I don't know if Co Masonry only gets spiritual inquires" Ingo: Well, if you meet the wrong guys everything is inquired on co-masonry: The rituals are not masonic ones, we are no masons because we initiate women , the women destroy the masculine spirituality being in the temple - one even said that co-masonic lodges are not serious because they were swingers clubs.... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by staffs on Nov 19, 2004 11:06:58 GMT
Ingo.maybe your knowledge of co masonic lodges is very minimal like mine and although i learn a little i do not know too much about it and rarely post here but i must say "swingers Clubs"??
You really know how to bait the hook and if i know Yoki well enough i do believe that this thread is about to explode.
go get him Yoki and drown him with your wisdom !!!
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