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Post by atarnaris on Jan 12, 2005 22:49:54 GMT
Are the rituals of CoMasonry available anywhere on the web? I would be interested to see how they perform things, and possibly give different interpretations for the same symbols.
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Post by whistler on Jan 13, 2005 3:12:34 GMT
Are the rituals of CoMasonry available anywhere on the web? I would be interested to see how they perform things, and possibly give different interpretations for the same symbols. I am sorry I don't think there is, and I hope you understand there is a limit to what one should discuss on an open Forum. If you can get hold of a book "The Hidden Life in Freemasory" C. W. Leadbeater or Freemasonry in the Twenty-First Century by Don Bradley The later is a bit over the top and is not in favour with the mundane's and the semi mundanes ..Even I have a few doubts about some of his conclusions, but as in all things Masonry there are bits that get you thinking. Just one Was the neophytes "Knock and the door will be opened".... does the knock happen when he fills in the form, or when he knocks on the door of the lodge, but then should only the tyler touch the outside of the door. When the Master Invests with the Sword - what is happening on the etheric plain.....and lots of little interesting bits.... good stuff but you also have to make your own judgement on his conclusions The good thing with books like his is that when you read his view on something it gets you thinking what your view is Those two would start you on your quest... HGW
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Jan 13, 2005 4:14:27 GMT
Atarnaris, If you are already a freemason you can visit a local CoM Lodge by asking them for permission. That would be the best way to both observe and be part of the energy present. As with the Male craft the ritual is reserved for initiated members, we don't even allow our junior brn. to see what is above them on the ladder, having separate rituals for whatever degree you posess. Even then the hidden/secret parts are not written, and much is alluded to in LETTERS not words, so would be difficult to comprehend. From what I have seen in old manuscripts, rituals and exposes readily available in second hand bookshops, the CoM workings are almost identical to those of the masculine Order, tho' with a different slant on certain aspects, and a more esoteric bias. as I am not allowed to visit male workings I can comment no further.
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Post by atarnaris on Jan 13, 2005 9:25:43 GMT
I have got hold of a written 3rd degree LDH (Le Droit Humaine) ritual in Greek and I wanted to compare with a ritual in English. I was promised the first 2 degrees as well.
May I admit publicly that the ritual is much richer, and makes full sense, very detailed and beautiful.
The only way to describe is to use an analogy and say that in the UK we get the cut down,heavily critisised, short version of the film, whereas in LDH you get the directors' cut, full extended version. The ritual as it should have been. Why the hell does it happen I have no clue! Maybe the boys here lack in the imagination department!!! It also reminded me a lot of the esoteric version of the degrees published by Albert Pike, that I have in my library.
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Post by whistler on Feb 27, 2005 8:27:13 GMT
It may interest you to know that in my Co-masonic Rubric under the Introcessional it states " This metrical version has been used in the opening of Lodge Canongate Kilwinning Edinburgh since its foundation" Suggests we might be of the same family
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Post by taylorsman on Feb 27, 2005 10:31:14 GMT
Now that is interesting as Cannongate Kilwinning was one of Robert Burns' Lodges.
Andrew, I found the same with UGLE Craft and it is only now after 16 years and on entering ROS that I have been able (in conjunction with the other Higher Degrees I am in) to see the whole picture and find that which (to me) was lost. I make no apology for saying, as I did to some criticism on the other place, that the Real Freemasonry is to be found in the Higher Degrees. In this Co-Masonry has the advantage over us "Regulars".
"Fat Freddie" has much to answer for in my book, and I have to speak the unspeakable and state that I feel that it may have been a better thing for English Freemasonry had the Union of 1815 NOT taken place and the two separate Grand Lodges, Antient and Modern, continued to co-exist , hopefully in amity with each other and allowing intervisitation, one more Mystical and Symbolical, the other on a more Mundane plane.
However, we have the situation that we have and must make the best of it. I feel Andrew that your medical duties and family life of course permitting you may make the same journey as myself ascending the ladder of the Higher Degrees and I am happy to help you in any way I can in that quest. It is a long journey, but well worthwhile.
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Post by a on Feb 27, 2005 11:19:55 GMT
The only way to describe is to use an analogy and say that in the UK we get the cut down,heavily critisised, short version of the film, whereas in LDH you get the directors' cut, full extended version. Andrew, just for clarity, you presumably mean in UGLE (not in UK) as LDH has 14/16 (I think from memory) Lodges in England. While I know little of the LDH rituals there is one which I am told is very beautiful (Lauderdale??). UGLE may be the biggest, but it is only one of several Grand Lodges that operate in England.
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Post by ricardo on Feb 27, 2005 18:48:37 GMT
Are the rituals of CoMasonry available anywhere on the web? I would be interested to see how they perform things, and possibly give different interpretations for the same symbols. There is a purported Co-Masonic ritual - in Dutch language - for the Fellowcraft degree online at www.stelling.nl/vrijmetselarij/iogv_r2.html
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Post by whistler on Feb 27, 2005 19:36:14 GMT
Is it possible that Richardn, is the person refered to by Michael as travelling near Alice Springs?
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Post by staffs on Feb 27, 2005 19:43:51 GMT
Whistler ,Richards e mail/website shows a site in S.Australia.
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