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Post by whistler on Oct 14, 2007 7:51:07 GMT
In our Lodges we have the picture of a Man on the wall - Some have it in the East and some above the North Chair. For some the picture represents somebody specific and others it represents the "Symbolic Man" Just wonder if all Co-Masonic Lodges have this picture and if so whereabouts is it placed
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Post by corab on Oct 14, 2007 10:10:54 GMT
LDH doesn't -- I refer in this respect to my most recent post on the "Petioning LDH" thread. Would be interesting to hear from Bro:. Karen in this respect. h.g.w., Cora
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Post by jmd on Oct 15, 2007 12:23:48 GMT
This is precisely one of the Theosophical Society influenced aspects that LDH has, to my knowledge, specifically discouraged as being inappropriate for a Masonic Lodge to display - you refer, of course, to what Besant and Leadbeater (partly following Blavatsky - but see here for some clear differences) have called the Maitreya Buddha, and see the personage as not simply a representation of 'man', but as you have written, of "Symbolic Man" (or 'archetypal Adam'). The other names some Theosophical Society inclined members have given him include "Master Kuthumi", "Dwjhal Khul", and "Master Morya" and "Racoksky". Personally, I agree with LDH that these have naught to do with Freemasonry, and was relieved and could with clear conscience recommend people to LDH after the removal of this image from both Temple and general Lodge Rooms (South/Festive Board).
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Post by Midlander on Oct 15, 2007 17:21:38 GMT
Hmmm, during my LDH years a certain portrait of a man was always displayed on the north wall in the main Temple at HQ in west London.
If it is now no longer used I am glad - I never did like the idea much.
S+F Midlander.
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Post by corab on Oct 15, 2007 20:35:02 GMT
That's correct, Midlander -- the practice of having the portrait in the North ceased some time ago, as also referenced in my latest response on the "Petitioning LDH" thread.
JMD -- the portrait was one of the Count St Germain.
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Post by whistler on Oct 16, 2007 8:16:08 GMT
That's correct, Midlander -- the practice of having the portrait in the North ceased some time ago, as also referenced in my latest response on the "Petitioning LDH" thread. JMD -- the portrait was one of the Count St Germain. And Cora That is the Magic of Freemasonry - For some it represented the Count - and for others who do not accept the existence of the Count - represents the symbol of Man
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Post by corab on Oct 16, 2007 18:33:07 GMT
Hi Whistler, And Cora That is the Magic of Freemasonry - For some it represented the Count - and for others who do not accept the existence of the Count - represents the symbol of Man That's very interesting -- would you consider starting a thread telling us a little bit more about the Count, please? I've read Leadbeater's Hidden Life in Freemasonry and must admit to having difficulties keeping my mind open enough to accept the Rakoczy-St Germain connection. Other than that, I know preciously little about the Count, and why at one time his portrait did feature in our lodges. h.g.w., Cora
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Post by lauderdale on Oct 16, 2007 19:13:36 GMT
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Post by whistler on Oct 16, 2007 19:30:08 GMT
Cora - Much wiser people can tell you better than I. Some people have a feeling for the Concept of Ascended Masters of which the Count is one.
I have always see the Picture as a Symbol of the Hu 'man' We have the Star - the Heavens the man -
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Post by lauderdale on Oct 16, 2007 21:11:17 GMT
Thank you Bro Bill.
Now am I right Bro Russell that he is sometimes identified with the Master K.H. ? This is of interest as of course the 30th Degree in A&ASR is the Knight Kadosh and the letters KH appear on the black sash worn by holders of the 30th Degree.
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Post by hollandr on Oct 16, 2007 23:55:14 GMT
>am I right Bro Russell that he is sometimes identified with the Master K.H. ?
I rather think that The Count operates on different energy flows (ray) compared with KH
The former is traditionally associated with the 7th and 3rd Rays and the latter with the 2nd
There is of course a peculiar resonance between the 7th and the 2nd so that the association exists rather than identity
Cheers
Russell
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Post by whistler on Oct 18, 2007 5:27:23 GMT
Russell I have heard that it is from the North the new teaching will come - seems nice to offer the teacher somewhere to sit
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Post by hollandr on Oct 18, 2007 6:01:41 GMT
>it is from the North the new teaching will come
I suspect that if the Chair in the North is filled (usually in the 3rd degree as far as I have observed) then the entrance to the temple in the heavens is open for those who have demonstrated sufficient control of their elemental natures
And if those brethren present themselves inwardly at that portal they may be met by the deacons of the temple in the (local) heavens that concern themselves with humans and presented at the place of light to one of The Seven Masons Who Make a Lodge Perfect.
Cheers
Russell
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